All, having issues with Panda 1.3 Diesel 2005

Smoking badly - Grey when giving it power

Oil am positive has diesel in it - fecked injectors?

What controls the amount of diesel goes in is it old style Injectors, is their an easy way to remove injectors to check what one is gone.

Also can these be Remapped as know the Corsa can be with some huge Power and eco gains.

Cheers Gary

Also

Forgot can you blank the egr in these with no issue unlike the clio 1.5 which needs it open to cool so am told.

Any error codes showing?
They are pretty complex injectors compared to the old school single burst ones. They do fail, but rarely without throwing errors. Definitely check for errors first.
Removal can be a nightmare, usually pretty well stuck.
They can theoretically be remapped but clutch & gearbox may well not enjoy it.
If you use second hand injectors, they will cause the engine to run like a dog, unless you get the IMA value and program the ECU accordingly.
Reconditioned ones should have a new IMA value to reflect their new capabilities/limitations. If not they will also cause it to run like a dog.

Common rail diesels are 100% electronically controlled. You need to get a Fiat ECU scan to check the fault codes. Its not costly and worth its weight in gold.

White smoke could be a failing turbo oil seals. What is the mileage and general state of wear? No point in souping up a worn engine.

Most of my diesels have been remapped with no problems though clearly burnouts etc will be bad for the transmission.

The clutch wouldn't cope with any more torque than what's currently going through it.

I had a multijet with standard power with a brand new LUK clutch fitted and it would still sometimes slip on boost in 3rd and 4th.
Anymore torque and I reckon it would definitely slip.

DaveMcT said:

Common rail diesels are 100% electronically controlled. You need to get a Fiat ECU scan to check the fault codes. Its not costly and worth its weight in gold.

White smoke could be a failing turbo oil seals. What is the mileage and general state of wear? No point in souping up a worn engine.

Most of my diesels have been remapped with no problems though clearly burnouts etc will be bad for the transmission.

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Fiat ECUscan has been re-named Multiecuscan www.multiecuscan.net. I agree its worth every penny of the €50 licence fee. A USB lead set is under £20 on ebay e.g. item 161715574389. Even if you had to buy an old Windows XP laptop it will cost less than a typical diagnostic visit to a dealer.

Robert G8RPI.

As has already been suggested, the driveline won't take any more torque. I looked into a re-map in 2005 when I bought mine. When I made a few enquiries, it seemed that the gearbox had a torque rating of 150Nm and the engine put out 145Nm, which doesn't really leave a lot of room for improvement.

Just an educated guess here, but as the 1.4 petrol as found in the Panda 100HP has a 5 speeder like the rest of the range, but in a Stilo and Bravo has 6 cogs, I have a sneaking suspicion that all the '05-'12 Pandas used the same gearbox, and none of the petrol motors put out more than 145Nm. On that basis, it seems likely that they used the same 'box. It would make economic sense.

Not only that, but it's quite possible that the 6 speed 'box may have been too big to fit in the Panda.

In the later Panda it seems that the 1.3MJ puts out 75bhp and quite a lot more torque than the older model. If that car has the same gearbox as fitted to the Punto or the Doblo then there is a lot more headroom as the larger cars will generate 90 or even 105 bhp.

I'm sure the 100hp has a 6 speed fitted.

dozer said:

I'm sure the 100hp has a 6 speed fitted.

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It does!

Plenty of naysayers telling you that clutch burnout is a given if you add to the power of your Panda, but my experience does not bear that out.

As for mapping the little Multijet in the Panda, mine has been mapped, egr deleted and back box removed for over a year now.

I use the extra power regularly, but not boy-racer style, and the clutch does not slip. I think these clutches vary a lot even from new, so I guess I've got a good one.

If you're sensible with the way you drive, adding extra power really improves the car.

dozer said:

I'm sure the 100hp has a 6 speed fitted.

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SPORTPACK50 said:

It does!

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Aw go on, clear orf yer young whippersnappers.

Ahem, thank you for correcting me there, I shall of course take it all in good stead, and almost certainly won't come round to your houses and stick various vegetables up your respective tail pipes.

Just going back to the original post, let's not forget that injectors don't last forever. I've had two replacement sets so far on mine. EGR valves need replacing or cleaning out and fuel pumps get dirty.

Good luck in getting your problem sorted

White smoke that smells of paraffin is an injector not spraying properly. That should be picked fault logged by the ECU. White smoke with good power is likely to be oil from the turbo vaporising as it exits the hot turbine. Oil getting sucked through the engine is usually burnt and makes no smoke. These wont be fault logged.