I bought the 2006 panda multijet with the yellow interior! Faults to fix b4 I picked it up were red steering light constanty on, mot, service. They said they fitted a new squibb sensor?? To the steering column. Fair enough so I pay him by debit card and drive off. 4 miles down the road the eml comes on. Here we go I thought! So I take it back and also notice the red light never comes on even when ignition is switched on. He reckons that's not an mot failure but as from last year it is right? It's going in next sat to see why the eml is on. Never had any lights come on with my last 3 puntos. Any idea why they can't get the steering light to operate correctly even after changing the squibb thingy (even if one exists!) thanks.
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Did you not read my replies to you reference that car ?
It is an auction special, I told you that. !
The steering light is an eps fault, are you now saying the light does not come on even at fisrt turn of key ? - if so, then he has Fekking disconnected it.!!!
The new 'squib' (there is no such thing) - but - I will presume you mean the clock spring ? or maybe not - has nothing at all to do with this. !
You have been ripped off. plain and simple. You might as well burn it. I think the chances of getting any money back from them are slim to totally non existent. They must have seen you coming a mile away.
They also probably fekked the ecu when they clocked it.
Caveat Emptor.
And you accepted it !!
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It came in as part ex from a woman locally. He's wrote on invoice "new steering part guaranteed for 12 months. I don't want my money back, a repair will do. It's a local garage so they can't hide! I just expect something to be done when they said it's going to be done.
If its the one you gave me the reg for, it was sold at auction in decemeber - Wilsons - I posted the details.
If the steering light does not come on when you turn the ignition on, then there is a major issue.
The ONLY part that should have been changed is the torque sensor -
But, as said, check the details cos the part ex from the local woman is rubbish if its the one you quoted. - Unless it was blocked and never sold. which again would be unusual , well, down right lies as the dealer must have blocked it - hence posing as private..
I would get my money back and run for the hills... this is a total stitch up.
Thanks, I just saw your info on other post about wilsons. I bought it from a garage in Buckley. He's obviously lying about it being a part ex. The car genuinly looks a 67k mileage car. The interior is like new and it drives like new. I also never believe mileages but if it's not 67k it's very close to it. Hé called the new part a squibb or was it quill??!! Can't remember but he mentioned £140 and steering angle sensor aswell. I'll get it sorted next sat when I get back from work. Cheers.
If it is the angle sensor - he means the torque sensor - ! that is good at least, he has some clue what he is doing - we hope ! .... (providing he DID change it) - it would be unusual for a normal garage - unless they are Fiat ? - others would buy a recon (powerwashed lol) eps system.
Regardless, the torque sensor is a common problem for illumination of the light, but unlikely if you didnt get loss of steering power and specifically on one side only - or poor return to centre -
whatever, the torque sensor replacement can in NO WAY make the light not come on when you turn on the ignition. !!!!!! absolutely none.
If the MIL light is also on, that is worrying...
I can assure you with the best will in the world, you will not tell a properly clocked car as they dont clock a car that cant stand it - ie, that cant be made to look as if it is right.. if it had one owner, you are fine cos you can talk to her - that will sort that.
They may have taken it in part ex from her, blocked it (and lied about being dealers), failed to sell (why ??? one must ask !) - or, the woman tried her hand at the auctions prior to trading it in - - I dont buy that one Dozer...
If you paid fair money and they fix it, no worries, jsut dont believe a word they say - and NEVER accept anything with - for example - new steering part fitted 12 months warranty - it means nothing, you want the exact detail of WHAT was fitted.. otherwise where is the warranty ? you go back in 11 months anfd they say - sorry gov, it wasnt THAT part, so its not under warranty.. dealer cons No. 6 in a list of about 5000
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I wouldn't worry about the EPAS warning light if the EPAS works as it should.
You'll know when it cocks up, with or without a warning light!
They usually "fail" to one side, so the effort to turn one way it more than the other, this can effect the wheel centring as well, so it may not return to dead ahead as readily.
Most end up with a bit of a fight to drive straight as the car may "pull" to one side.
If you need a warning light to tell you this actually happening you might need an extra cup of coffee in the morning!
Fret not about the EML as well, there are a couple of well known things that'll stick this on the diesel.
First off, you need the diagnostic code, I've a feeling with this code you should be able to tell if the garage is tempted to bodge or repair properly, so it's important you get/ask for it.
Does the EM light reset when you turn the ignition off and restart?
Then come on after a short drive (like after accelerating in higher gears)?
These are typical signs of a fuel/air issue.
It detects a fault when there's a certain load on the motor and trips the light (and limp mode) until it's restarted and reaches the load point again and so on.
The turbo wastegate actuation is a cert to cause this type of issue.
Soot jams it up, so when the MAP detects enough boost, it can't open the wastegate enough.
You can get a long screwdriver on the wastegate arm, where it enters the turbo and manually work it back and forth to free it off (for a while).
Another thorn in the side of the modern diesel is the EGR valve.
A completely useless piece of dog sh*t that's meant to reduce nitrogen oxides at higher combustion temps by recirculating exhaust gas into the intake, but if it's jammed open actually makes your car smoke like a burning tyre and wheeze like a asthmatic running the marathon, again soot (and blowby oil from the crank breather) gums the thing up.
Only real fix it to replace it.
You'll know when it cocks up, with or without a warning light!
They usually "fail" to one side, so the effort to turn one way it more than the other, this can effect the wheel centring as well, so it may not return to dead ahead as readily.
Most end up with a bit of a fight to drive straight as the car may "pull" to one side.
If you need a warning light to tell you this actually happening you might need an extra cup of coffee in the morning!
Fret not about the EML as well, there are a couple of well known things that'll stick this on the diesel.
First off, you need the diagnostic code, I've a feeling with this code you should be able to tell if the garage is tempted to bodge or repair properly, so it's important you get/ask for it.
Does the EM light reset when you turn the ignition off and restart?
Then come on after a short drive (like after accelerating in higher gears)?
These are typical signs of a fuel/air issue.
It detects a fault when there's a certain load on the motor and trips the light (and limp mode) until it's restarted and reaches the load point again and so on.
The turbo wastegate actuation is a cert to cause this type of issue.
Soot jams it up, so when the MAP detects enough boost, it can't open the wastegate enough.
You can get a long screwdriver on the wastegate arm, where it enters the turbo and manually work it back and forth to free it off (for a while).
Another thorn in the side of the modern diesel is the EGR valve.
A completely useless piece of dog sh*t that's meant to reduce nitrogen oxides at higher combustion temps by recirculating exhaust gas into the intake, but if it's jammed open actually makes your car smoke like a burning tyre and wheeze like a asthmatic running the marathon, again soot (and blowby oil from the crank breather) gums the thing up.
Only real fix it to replace it.
That is REALLY bad advice ! .. sorry.. it is bordering on crazy.
The warning light is there for a reason. It will illuminate if errors are present. If the warning light is not working, then errors can arise that you have no pre warning leading to sudden loss that you weould otherwise have had. The light is there to tell you to take action if it remains on after restart. It is a critical part of the warning system - it should work fully IT IS A VITAL SAFETY SYSTEM FOR A VITAL CONTROL SYSTEM. it should work as described. There are cases where a warning light will be activated long before an actual steering failure. The torque sensor, contrary to popular belief, is not the only part that fails, or indeed the most common, in fact it is very rare.
No marks for that one, sorry.
Just to clarify it's a garage I bought it from. He will be fixing the faults as I won't stop until he does. I'll let you know how I get on on sat when I take it back. It's showing 67 mpg compared to puntos 52 mpg but not sure if it's accurate and a nice smooth ride. Cheers guys.
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Does it pre warn?
So it detects the future and puts the light on some point before a fault occurs?
I think not, it will light when a fault occurs.
Vital - Necessary to the continuation.
So necessary to steer and not get injuried/die?
So you're saying without the warning light or assistance the car will not steer and all present are at (more) risk of injury?
The car operates with or without the EPAS, extra effort is needed but the steering is phyically linked, metal, joints etc link the steering wheel with the road wheels.
If assistance fails, the steering wheels doesn't become totally useless, so hardly a vital control or safety system.
Some of us drive or have driven cars without EPAS or PAS, and most are still alive or died from other causes.
I wouldn't know the statisics off hand, but I would guess death from warning light failure is pretty small.
Do all cars have steering warning lights?
No, not all cars use warning lights to detect steering faults, either PAS or EPAS and there's no regulation they should be fitted or it to work.
Are you there to mark my efforts?
I am not some silly school boy for you to grade my efforts and perhaps should consider your own efforts before condemning someone elses.
The OP has raised a post regarding warning lights and I have given my opinion, they'll know with or without a steering warning if the EPAS has failed, it won't stop the car from steering and quite frankly, if they are driving a car around on the basis a warning light will save them, they should not be driving in the first place, they would be a liabilty to themselves and others.
So it detects the future and puts the light on some point before a fault occurs?
I think not, it will light when a fault occurs.
Vital - Necessary to the continuation.
So necessary to steer and not get injuried/die?
So you're saying without the warning light or assistance the car will not steer and all present are at (more) risk of injury?
The car operates with or without the EPAS, extra effort is needed but the steering is phyically linked, metal, joints etc link the steering wheel with the road wheels.
If assistance fails, the steering wheels doesn't become totally useless, so hardly a vital control or safety system.
Some of us drive or have driven cars without EPAS or PAS, and most are still alive or died from other causes.
I wouldn't know the statisics off hand, but I would guess death from warning light failure is pretty small.
Do all cars have steering warning lights?
No, not all cars use warning lights to detect steering faults, either PAS or EPAS and there's no regulation they should be fitted or it to work.
Are you there to mark my efforts?
I am not some silly school boy for you to grade my efforts and perhaps should consider your own efforts before condemning someone elses.
The OP has raised a post regarding warning lights and I have given my opinion, they'll know with or without a steering warning if the EPAS has failed, it won't stop the car from steering and quite frankly, if they are driving a car around on the basis a warning light will save them, they should not be driving in the first place, they would be a liabilty to themselves and others.
The system logs abnormal events - and yes - PRIOR to a failure in most cases, any event abnormal enough to put the light on, that does not clear with a restart is a danger indication and needs sorting.
You are entitled to your opinion, or course, however ridiculous or stupid that may be.
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You are entitled to your opinion, or course, however ridiculous or stupid that may be.
As you've vitally proved over and over.
I have owned two cars without any sort of PAS and two ones with electric PAS.
I think the problem is when EPAS fails the steering is a lot heavier than none PAS cars and it is the sudden change in steering feel that catches people out.
I think the problem is when EPAS fails the steering is a lot heavier than none PAS cars and it is the sudden change in steering feel that catches people out.
I sent it in for a major service today, all oils and all filters for peace of mind. The EML turned out to be air intake leak and the EPS light is torque position sensor so it's going back to the garage I bought it from to be sorted. Shame they never fixed it like they said they had in the beginning. It's it an easy job or can they possibly mess it up as I'm the biggest doubting Thomas in the world!
I woudnt worry too much as I doubt they would fit the torque sensor, They would fit the complete column from companies like BBR reman (I think thats the name ?) about 250 quid exchange -
If they follow the instructions, they shouldnt have a problem.
Out of interest - was it a fiat dealer who told you it was the sensor ? or another garage. ?
Mind you, best to get them to exchange the complete thing - only problem is, if it is electrical -as it often is with the eps, then changing the whole unit will not necessarily cure the problem.. but, thats ok, at least you get a recon steering and THEN they fix the wiring lol....
stitch the buggers Dozer - nail em to the wall.:devil:
They should never have lied about the auction eh ?
I use jubilee garage in Queensferry near chester. It's only one of two garages I trust.
