That's such a high price to pay! I think I'd take out a bank loan before I'd consider biking it.
Technical Panda Multijet Cam Chain
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Technical Panda Multijet Cam Chain
That's such a high price to pay! I think I'd take out a bank loan before I'd consider biking it.
Sweetsixteen
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So far this thread sounds pretty negative.
Cars go wrong, period, and we are all aware of that. We buy them because they are useful/enjoyable despite their faults. When faults do happen, it is often the cost of a wrecked journey, a ruined holiday, collateral expenses, that hurt the pocket far more than fixing the fault itself - and that argument applies equally to any electronic glitch, which as any emergency serviceman will confirm, is the most common cause of a breakdown today.
But trawl google for 1.3Multijet problems, and up will come dpf faults by the thousand, yet by comparison very little is found tagging the timing chain as a common problem. Dpf problems are not unique to Multijets!
Both chains and belts fail on ic engines - even well-maintained ones - but that is no reason to panic. By far the majority of owners happily head out in their cars every day, year after year, without these occurrences.
Worry ye not - enjoy what you've got.
Sweetsixteen.
Cars go wrong, period, and we are all aware of that. We buy them because they are useful/enjoyable despite their faults. When faults do happen, it is often the cost of a wrecked journey, a ruined holiday, collateral expenses, that hurt the pocket far more than fixing the fault itself - and that argument applies equally to any electronic glitch, which as any emergency serviceman will confirm, is the most common cause of a breakdown today.
But trawl google for 1.3Multijet problems, and up will come dpf faults by the thousand, yet by comparison very little is found tagging the timing chain as a common problem. Dpf problems are not unique to Multijets!
Both chains and belts fail on ic engines - even well-maintained ones - but that is no reason to panic. By far the majority of owners happily head out in their cars every day, year after year, without these occurrences.
Worry ye not - enjoy what you've got.
Sweetsixteen.
I bought an Uno 60DS brand new in 1989 and being a bit of a plonker, managed to let it run out of fuel 3 times in the space of a year. Unfortunately as diesel is quite a dirty fuel it can clog up the pump as the dregs are dragged out of the tank. This happened with mine and I thinking I would be buying a lift pump, was pretty stunned when I found out it would cost around (this was 1992 remember) £700. £700!
As the Uno had a 1.7 litre engine I thought laterally and as the Astra also had a 1.7 and both used Bosch injection systems I priced one from a Vauxhall dealer. This was £1,200. Glad I didn't have a Vauxhall.
That makes the £1,500 for a BMW pump and ECU pretty good value, although that doesn't include labour.
What I couldn't understand was how two fuel pumps made by the same manufacturer for two identical sized non-turbo diesels could be so different in price.
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Still think something is terribly wrong when a cam chain needs to be changed. The whole idea of a cam chain instead of a rubber belt, is that its meant to last the life of an engine and probably never need changing. Apparently with the 1.3 multijet cam chains have a short life expectancy.
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Sounds about right. Multijet engines are a disaster.
Next car I get will be a VW or Peugeot.
Alright, I'm done being civil...
Are you stupid?! MJ engines are not a disaster; not the 1.3, nor any of the other MJ engines. They're used in hundreds of thousands of vehicles around the world, including, but not limited to: Fiat cars, Fiat vans, Vauxhall cars, Vauxhall vans, Alfa Romeo cars, Chrysler cars, Lancia cars and various boats.
If the engine was that awful, why would Vauxhall/Opel (or more specifically General Motors) have bought the rights to use it in their cars and continue to use it to this day? You don't see many MJ Pandas because diesels tend to be used for high mileage cars and the Panda is a city car, ergo doesn't tend to do particularly high mileage. Not because the engine is crap and all the MJ Pandas are in scrapyards as you've suggested on a previous occasion.
You've been told several times that 40k miles IS NOT normal mileage for the chain to need replacing, yet you're still spouting the same drivel about MJ engines being awful. I'm sure there are MJ Pandas which have needed the chain replacing at 40K miles, but these are the exception, not the rule.
As someone has already said, the DPF causes far more problems than the chain on these engines, but that's not a problem limited to the Panda or the MJ engine, it's a potential problem with any modern diesel engine, not specifically the MJ. That said, the DPF has nothing to do with what you're banging on about, so don't even try to add it to your mindless spouting about how "MJ engines are a disaster", I'll see straight through it.
Please, if you want a VW or a Peugeot just go and buy one, but hurry up; I'm pretty sure I speak for more than myself when I say that I'm sick of reading your inaccurate whining.
/Rant
How the hell are you still alive? I once saw this program where a baby died hours after it was born. You must be of a record age for a human. THE HUMAN RACE IS DOOMED TO ALL DIE WITHIN A WEEK OR TWO OF BIRTH.
Dez must be a miracle then. He survived a mess up on his chain and now gives at least 62 to 67 mpg each tank despite doing a lot of city driving!
Changing from a timing chain to a timing belt on an interference engine for less chance of it snapping? 
I've <never> heard of a chain snapping without major neglect/something else going stupendously wrong and causing it. Stretching, yes, sometimes enough to cause damage (and usually on German junk with stupid service intervals married to a highly stressed supercharger and turbocharger setup), but snapping, no.
Don't suppose the garage reported it snapped whilst in their care, did they? £200 scrap value
To add to the "who else uses such a **** engine", suzuki do, extensively. And it's not like they trade on a reputation for reliability, or anything.
I've <never> heard of a chain snapping without major neglect/something else going stupendously wrong and causing it. Stretching, yes, sometimes enough to cause damage (and usually on German junk with stupid service intervals married to a highly stressed supercharger and turbocharger setup), but snapping, no.
Don't suppose the garage reported it snapped whilst in their care, did they? £200 scrap value
To add to the "who else uses such a **** engine", suzuki do, extensively. And it's not like they trade on a reputation for reliability, or anything.
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notsmartcars
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I've changed my own so from memory you will need
Engine oil
Antifreeze
Tube glue to re attaché sump
Cam/flywheel locking pins (seally do it)
Various torx type sockets
2 sprockets
Chain
The 2 guide rails
The tensioner
Crank shaft oil,seal
Timing cover gasket
Make a bar up to lock the crank shaft pulley
I would take 6ish hours
From memory from fiat it's £250
I can not over stress enough the importance getting the chain from fiat
If you can hear the chain you MUST change it
I think the BMW chain troubles are linked to china ,, usually a chain will run out of automatic adjustment then will slip a tooth the valves touch the piston and the shock to the system may snap the chain
Engine oil
Antifreeze
Tube glue to re attaché sump
Cam/flywheel locking pins (seally do it)
Various torx type sockets
2 sprockets
Chain
The 2 guide rails
The tensioner
Crank shaft oil,seal
Timing cover gasket
Make a bar up to lock the crank shaft pulley
I would take 6ish hours
From memory from fiat it's £250
I can not over stress enough the importance getting the chain from fiat
If you can hear the chain you MUST change it
I think the BMW chain troubles are linked to china ,, usually a chain will run out of automatic adjustment then will slip a tooth the valves touch the piston and the shock to the system may snap the chain
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Trimdoner
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Matt100HP said:Alright, I'm done being civil...
notsmartcars said:If you can hear the chain you MUST change it
:bang:zanes said:Don't suppose the garage reported it snapped whilst in their care, did they? £200 scrap value
Seems highly improbable ....like the independent garage that did my wife's Octavia chain and engine blew up under 48 hours later .( details in another post)They washed their hands of it completely and only thing they offered was charging another 200 to remove head and have a look to see how much repair would cost .
Now I know the more bolshy will suggest all sorts but whether solicitor or small claims are involved they will just claim inability to pay any judgement .( So I was advised by a couple of solicitors) and the boss at this place makes Phil Mitchell look like a ballerina . ( Then again 'word of mouth ' spreads)
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