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Technical Panda 100HP no Hot air from heater?

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Technical Panda 100HP no Hot air from heater?

A picture of the offending part would help as it may be that there are other possibilities - is it a little shaft with ball-joint sockets at either end, for instance? These appear everywhere and are often in steel with threads at one or both ends to adjust the length. If that's what it's like, it's not difficult to make one yourself.

Failing that, getting one made must be the best solution, surely. Two probably wouldn't cost much more than one, as it's set-up cost that's the bummer. If so, I'll chip in and split the cost with you for the sake of having a properly-engineered one to hand when the (apparently) inevitable happens. One or two others might do the same and we could split the cost more ways.
 
Evening fellas,

This isn't an isolated incident. my local dealership has replaced 4 of these in the past 3 months alone. It does seem to be specific to models with digital climate control though.

Having attempted and partially fixed my own, i can tell you that it's particularly difficult to repair without replacement.

So, what do you need in order to fix this? Well, TIME and some skill.

to attempt a repair, you will need to remove all of the following:

The radio, glovebox, all lower trim, drivers and passenger airbag, steering wheel, control stalks, climate module, hazard and fog module, all soud proofing and the gear stick. Removing both front seats is optional, but I'd recommend it.

In addition, to replace the HVAC unit, you'll need to drain the coolant system, remove the matrix and core and finally the biggie.....you'll need to remove the main structural support that runs transverse across the car! and to remove this you'll need to remove the drivers and passenger door.

Make no mistake, this is a HUGE job. Even the repair is problematic, as even after removing the parts required for the repair, access to the innards of the HVAC unit is non-existent, so any repair to the flap has to be performed via the broken 12mm diameter hole where the flap has been severed.

Hope this helps, and if I ever fully fix it, I'll let you know how.

Regards,

Martin
 
Duckdodgers said:
Evening fellas,

This isn't an isolated incident. my local dealership has replaced 4 of these in the past 3 months alone. It does seem to be specific to models with digital climate control though.

Having attempted and partially fixed my own, i can tell you that it's particularly difficult to repair without replacement.

So, what do you need in order to fix this? Well, TIME and some skill.

to attempt a repair, you will need to remove all of the following:

The radio, glovebox, all lower trim, drivers and passenger airbag, steering wheel, control stalks, climate module, hazard and fog module, all soud proofing and the gear stick. Removing both front seats is optional, but I'd recommend it.

In addition, to replace the HVAC unit, you'll need to drain the coolant system, remove the matrix and core and finally the biggie.....you'll need to remove the main structural support that runs transverse across the car! and to remove this you'll need to remove the drivers and passenger door.

Make no mistake, this is a HUGE job. Even the repair is problematic, as even after removing the parts required for the repair, access to the innards of the HVAC unit is non-existent, so any repair to the flap has to be performed via the broken 12mm diameter hole where the flap has been severed.

Hope this helps, and if I ever fully fix it, I'll let you know how.

Regards,

Martin
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It's certainly time consuming, but not HUGE as in difficult.
 
Having to revive this one as going by the phone call I just had from my folks, seems their Climate Control has gone the same way as above and having read what's involved to fix, I do indeed, feel very sick.
 
Duckdodgers said:
Evening fellas,

This isn't an isolated incident. my local dealership has replaced 4 of these in the past 3 months alone. It does seem to be specific to models with digital climate control though.

Having attempted and partially fixed my own, i can tell you that it's particularly difficult to repair without replacement.

So, what do you need in order to fix this? Well, TIME and some skill.

to attempt a repair, you will need to remove all of the following:

The radio, glovebox, all lower trim, drivers and passenger airbag, steering wheel, control stalks, climate module, hazard and fog module, all soud proofing and the gear stick. Removing both front seats is optional, but I'd recommend it.

In addition, to replace the HVAC unit, you'll need to drain the coolant system, remove the matrix and core and finally the biggie.....you'll need to remove the main structural support that runs transverse across the car! and to remove this you'll need to remove the drivers and passenger door.

Make no mistake, this is a HUGE job. Even the repair is problematic, as even after removing the parts required for the repair, access to the innards of the HVAC unit is non-existent, so any repair to the flap has to be performed via the broken 12mm diameter hole where the flap has been severed.

Hope this helps, and if I ever fully fix it, I'll let you know how.

Regards,

Martin
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Blimey - this is a worry and putting me off buying a 100hp - how widespread is this issue?
 
Hi
I have the same problem in a 2008 Luxury. The plastic lug on the end of the flap has sheered. It is where the white nylon half gear engages on the flap. It is very difficult to get to. I am going to get a bent small mini screwdriver hot and burn a ~2mm or 3mm hole in the centre of the shaft. It is difficult to locate the centre as the shaft flops when the shaft end sheers. Then I will drill a 8mm hole into the steel dash cross-member. I will put a screwdriver through the hole. I will warm a self tapper screw and screw it into the 2mm hole. I have yet to work out how I will finish the job. either:
I will use the screw to attach a rubber pipe as a flexible drive and mount the actuator through the hole in the cross-member.
Or:
I will use a long self tapping screw and araldite to attach the half gear to the shaft.

Question. Is the end of the 12mm shaft thick enough to take a self tapper?
 
I have also joined the no heat club, it's an awful and a miserable experience. :cry:

My usual garage. They can't find anything and they suggest main dealer.

Before I bankrupt myself, as far as I can gather. It's either the actuator near the clutch pedal, or the heater itself?

Can you bypass the actuator to test it?
 
Most Easterly Pandas said:
You can check the heater by feeling if the matrix feed and return pipes that go through from the engine bay are warm, rear right hand side of the engine as you're looking at it (y)
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The garage told me that the matrix pipes were hot.

So is it the entire heater panel with the switches?


Like this?
 
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Aston Martin said:
The garage told me that the matrix pipes were hot.

So is it the entire heater panel with the switches?


Like this?
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It'll be the actuator, or control rod.

Worse case is it'll need to entire heatbox replacing - About £75-£200 for it used, and front doors off and dash out to remove and refit (took me 13 hours on a friends Panda).

Not something for the light hearted and not going to be cheap on labour if a garage doing it.
 
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