Hey all

Well i have had the Panda since Friday and i filled her up, Now i know she is new and needs running in etc etc but what is the average range on a tank before refill i never run to empty i normaly fill when light is on. I have done half a tank nearly at the mo and its on about 140miles and MPG is saying 41-42 and i did reset it when i filled up and also i have had a 30 mile there and back trip in that up the motorway.

Cheers

WIBBLA (AKA Craig)

It's okay to run it right down. I only say this because filling up everytime you get to a quarter of a tank will mean frequent fill ups.

I usually run mine down to as near to the last marking on the gauge mainly due to only getting 230 miles from a tank. You will fare better though having a 1.2.

when you've run it in you might get near my old Squirrile - http://www.fuelly.com/driver/udtrev/panda

You can get to the bottom of the red but you are heading into squeaky bum territory

Trev

Very impressed with the Eleganza today. 356 miles, 45.7 mpg, was a run to London, 20 miles on a track for a road test / photo shoot, and back home to sunny Suffolk after. Might have been able to squeeze 380 out of it but not much more and that was sitting at 70 +/-10 where permitted and not hanging about on the track.

WIBBLA said:

Hey all

Well i have had the Panda since Friday and i filled her up, Now i know she is new and needs running in etc etc but what is the average range on a tank before refill i never run to empty i normaly fill when light is on. I have done half a tank nearly at the mo and its on about 140miles and MPG is saying 41-42 and i did reset it when i filled up and also i have had a 30 mile there and back trip in that up the motorway.

Cheers

WIBBLA (AKA Craig)

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you should be able to achieve anything from 340 - 390 miles on average once it is run in....I've had my Eco up to about 425 I think.

http://www.fuelly.com/driver/306maxi/500/log

I must state that I don't know that the fuel tanks are the same, but my 500 did 502 miles on a tank before running out of fuel. That was an actual 53.6mpg so IF the tank is the same and you can start putting in 50's quite regularly then 400-450 is pretty easily done and it'll save you spending extra time in the petrol station. Like I said though, I don't know how big the tank is in a Panda, but you can fit 42 litres into a 500 if you brim it.

just filled her up and from 31 ltrs i got average 37.5mpg not too good hope it gets better and thats driving her slowly no more than 3000rpm running her in. 260 miles from 31ltr

Seriously, just drive it normally. You don't need to worry about exceeding 3000rpm as long as it's warmed up properly.

Be very careful not to labour the engine by having the revs too low up hills, it's only a 1.2.

It's not 1976 anymore!

Craig

Is yours the Eco4 or the Eco5 variant?

I have a 1.2 Eco4 and you can see its progress to date here:

http://www.fuelly.com/driver/jrkitching/panda

(default figures are based on US gallons but if you click on the small UK icon at the top left, it'll display the UK mpg)

My perception is that economy is not particularly good until the engine is thoroughly warmed up - my 1.2 500 (which has the Eco5 version of the same engine) is significantly better in this respect. So economy takes a big hit in cold weather & if you do lots of short journeys.

Starting from cold, the 500 beats the Panda by about 5-7mpg on a 10 mile trip, but there's almost nothing in it on a 50 mile one and I've had recorded round trip mpg figures of 70mpg+ on both cars.

To get that, though, you'll have to drive it gently and keep the cruising speed down - the Panda isn't particularly aerodynamic & economy drops off sharply if you go above 55mph.

Eco4 eco5

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Sorry, was having a senior moment. Meant to say Euro4 or Euro5.

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just filled her up and from 31 ltrs i got average 37.5mpg not too good hope it gets better and thats driving her slowly no more than 3000rpm running her in. 260 miles from 31ltr

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Just give it time It's still cool at the moment and your engine is not yet run in....

It is a euro4 wish it was a 5 though.

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It is a euro4 wish it was a 5 though.

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WIBBLA said:

It is a euro4 wish it was a 5 though.

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The Euro5 engine apparently delivers an extra 9bhp & has more tightly controlled emissions.

Does anyone actually know what FIAT did in order to achieve this? Is it just a remap or is there some extra technology in there somewhere?

Thinking ahead, I wonder if the Euro5 engine will be any more likely to run 'out of spec' as it puts on the mileage, leading to potentially expensive emissions-related MOT problems in the future?

Probably got a different cam in it if anything like the classic pandas (2wd vs 4wd with the same engine but different Hp)

Euro5 has a much higher compression ratio - 11:1 v's 9.8:1 - that'll account for a decent chunk of the difference, together with a new map for the ECU. I was able to get an additional 5bhp from a carefully remapped std 1.2 8v ECU (on 98RON petrol admittedly), so 9bhp from both changes is perfectly feasible.

Phil G