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Re: Engine flush before home service???

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Well surely if an ACEA C3 oil is marketed by Joe Bloggs engine oil co would by law need to conform to that spec?
When I did the oil change on mine I used Technolube ACEA C3 as is laid down in the handbook. So are we saying that I should stick with Selina or Petronas?
We're getting deeper into the rabbit hole now, but not all C3 oils are created equal. Top quality C3's will be made using a Group 4 polyalphaolefin synthetic base oil; cheaper ones will more likely be based on a Group 3 hydrocracked mineral oil (which by some quirk of the advertising regulations can be marketed as fully synthetic in the UK). All should meet the minimum C3 spec; how much they exceed it by will vary between brands (and some of the data is likely commercially confidential).

As to whether the top price oils are worth the extra over the budget synthetics, or if it's smoke & mirrors on the part of the oil companies, I don't care to say. At the end of the day, it's your money and your choice. But I will say this; if you use any in-spec oil, change it at a sensible interval and never run below the bottom mark on the dipstick, your engine will almost certainly outlast the rest of the car.

Sensor failure is another matter; there have been a few reports of this here, and personally I'd want to use a low SAPS oil on any car with a computer controlled fuel management system.

Drifting a little, but it amuses me that some folks will spend ages researching oils in great detail and paying top for a premium product, and then fuel their car with whatever no-name brand is cheapest down the local supermarket.
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Thanks JRK.
I only now use BP or Shell now, did use Tesco momentum in the Rover though.
I'll probably change to Petronas soon as the car went too long without an oil change before I did it a few months ago. Dealer stamp and evidence of any work, they cannot produce any copy of receipt etcetera.
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All should meet the minimum C3 spec; how much they exceed it by will vary between brands (and some of the data is likely commercially confidential).

As to whether the top price oils are worth the extra over the budget synthetics, or if it's smoke & mirrors on the part of the oil companies, I don't care to say.

Drifting a little, but it amuses me that some folks will spend ages researching oils in great detail and paying top for a premium product, and then fuel their car with whatever no-name brand is cheapest down the local supermarket.


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Thanks JRK.
I only now use BP or Shell now, did use Tesco momentum in the Rover though.
I'll probably change to Petronas soon as the car went too long without an oil change before I did it a few months ago. Dealer stamp and evidence of any work, they cannot produce any copy of receipt etcetera.


This. A lot of that information is as you said, commercially sensitive. However that's why I do my best to impart what information I can without breaching those boundaries. A lot of industries are rather marketing based, which is one of the reasons I take anything I read on a bottle or advert as unreliable until I can see some form of imperial evidence or the guides of someone who are more knowledgable than me.

As for the cheap fuel. I did have to chuckle at the comment. It's very true! I personally run my cars on BP Ultimate or Tesco Momentum, mostly because at least by personal experience they seem to work well for my car and the cleaning additives do the job nicely too. Shell V Power makes my MG run....oddly and as it's been mapped for super this is irritating.

Murphyv, I run my Panda on Selenia KPE as I've found it to be good quality, bench results are good and it being factory fill and fitting the Fiat Technical Reference specification. Fiat have been known to take Oil samples from warranty repair engines (as do most OEM's, Vauxhall are the worst culprit!) to find anything that doesn't fit the specs, while I'm still in warranty I won't take the chance
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This. A lot of that information is as you said, commercially sensitive. However that's why I do my best to impart what information I can without breaching those boundaries. A lot of industries are rather marketing based, which is one of the reasons I take anything I read on a bottle or advert as unreliable until I can see some form of imperial evidence or the guides of someone who are more knowledgable than me.

As for the cheap fuel. I did have to chuckle at the comment. It's very true! I personally run my cars on BP Ultimate or Tesco Momentum, mostly because at least by personal experience they seem to work well for my car and the cleaning additives do the job nicely too. Shell V Power makes my MG run....oddly and as it's been mapped for super this is irritating.

Murphyv, I run my Panda on Selenia KPE as I've found it to be good quality, bench results are good and it being factory fill and fitting the Fiat Technical Reference specification. Fiat have been known to take Oil samples from warranty repair engines (as do most OEM's, Vauxhall are the worst culprit!) to find anything that doesn't fit the specs, while I'm still in warranty I won't take the chance
Thanks for that.
My last message was garbled due to using a phone.
Fortunately mine is out of warranty but I don't want to use suspect oil. This one I'm using was recommended though.
Must admit it's as sweet as a nut but the MAP oil issue could be the oils viscosity I suppose.
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Your welcome Murphy.

If it's any help to you, Techolube is a own brand manufactured under licence by Tetrosyl.....AKA Carlube oil. Not very well known and haven't come directly through our labs but previously Tetrosyl haven't been very poor or failed testing so hope this at all useful.
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Your welcome Murphy.

If it's any help to you, Techolube is a own brand manufactured under licence by Tetrosyl.....AKA Carlube oil. Not very well known and haven't come directly through our labs but previously Tetrosyl haven't been very poor or failed testing so hope this at all useful.
Thanks again.
I'm wondering then if the one I am using, ACEA C3 5W-40 has a problem with poor viscosity at working temperature, could be the reason as I say the MAF was clogged with oil and it being thinner has allowed more to be drawn into the manifold and causing the issue.
I have had two tablespoons in the catch tank in slightly under a month.
The reviews seem OK and there has been no complaints lodged about this particular oil, something in the back of my mind tells me that one of Technolube's oils had a spec issue but I cant find reference to it.
Time for another oil change methinks.
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Thanks again.
I'm wondering then if the one I am using, ACEA C3 5W-40 has a problem with poor viscosity at working temperature, could be the reason as I say the MAF was clogged with oil and it being thinner has allowed more to be drawn into the manifold and causing the issue.
I have had two tablespoons in the catch tank in slightly under a month.
The reviews seem OK and there has been no complaints lodged about this particular oil, something in the back of my mind tells me that one of Technolube's oils had a spec issue but I cant find reference to it.
Time for another oil change methinks.


Hmm could be a point indeed. I'll have a dig and see what I can find on the spec.
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Hmm could be a point indeed. I'll have a dig and see what I can find on the spec.
That'll be great, thanks for that.
Another sleepless night yet again.........
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That'll be great, thanks for that.
Another sleepless night yet again.........


Not a problem, always happy to help.

Indeed I know the feeling, been awake all night despite attempting to conk out. Made more annoying by the missus being fast asleep next to my ear for most of it.......think it's cuppa time!
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Hi like will be using Castrol 5w40 Fiat spec FST in the gold bottle.This will be ok with OEM filters.?
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Hi like will be using Castrol 5w40 Fiat spec FST in the gold bottle.This will be ok with OEM filters.?
Castrol Edge 5W40 FST will be just fine with the OEM filters.
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Ok thanks show i buy say 5 liters and save the left overs for next years service or just buy what i need?
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Ok thanks show i buy say 5 liters and save the left overs for next years service or just buy what i need?


Go for the 4L bottle, drain your old oil and with filter and sump plug out, pour 500ml through to displace the old oil and crud out
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