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General New Panda City Cross 4x2.
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General New Panda City Cross 4x2.
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Surprised the Trekking was slow selling as we bought one as a run around and it's perfect as a city car and great fun to drive with the TA engine- a lot more fun than more expensive cars I've owned. Makes sense not having the 4x4 hardware if you aren't going to use it and the slightly higher ride height with a more compliant ride is a bonus!
I think that's the point. The majority of Qashqais are 2wd and Sanderos sell more in the Stepway guise. As a sales exercise and properly priced, it could sell quite well.
Also in the same article the new Panda 4x4.
I really like the new wheels on this.
Wheels are tough!!!
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A curious thing this is.............not on the UK FIAT website and yet...
https://www.bristolstreet.co.uk/new...at-panda-1-2-city-cross-5dr-petrol-hatchback/
That £160 annual tax does seem steep after years of £30. Makes our 100hp seem ok again at £180.
https://www.bristolstreet.co.uk/new...at-panda-1-2-city-cross-5dr-petrol-hatchback/
That £160 annual tax does seem steep after years of £30. Makes our 100hp seem ok again at £180.
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Interesting. At £13 grand less the usual discounts it makes a good proposition. From the photos and the previous info on here it seems it may be 1200 engine and 5 speed box?
If Fiat were to offer it as a Twin Air and 6 speeed box I would definitely be interested as a replacement for either my 4x4 Twin Air or my wife's Trekking. The only problem with the Trekking is the five-speed box and hence the perfoamance and fun of the car is not a patch on the 4x4.
If Fiat were to offer it as a Twin Air and 6 speeed box I would definitely be interested as a replacement for either my 4x4 Twin Air or my wife's Trekking. The only problem with the Trekking is the five-speed box and hence the perfoamance and fun of the car is not a patch on the 4x4.
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[ame]https://youtu.be/YEmmh8UPDMA[/ame]
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So the video shows the Cross and the City Cross both tackling the rough(ish) stuff. They missed a trick there. They should have found a really steep, loose bit, shown the Cross romping up it, and then the City Cross scrabbling for grip, and sliding ignominiously back down.
So the video shows the Cross and the City Cross both tackling the rough(ish) stuff. They missed a trick there. They should have found a really steep, loose bit, shown the Cross romping up it, and then the City Cross scrabbling for grip, and sliding ignominiously back down.
Nah, what they should have shown was the monstrous bill the 4x4 owner had to pay for having their rear-disks replaced at 20000 miles whilst the City-Cross owner was half-parked on the pavement outside Mothercare, sipping a £4 coffee.
They've been very cagey with the photos, but this one gives it away - drum brakes at the back Still a nice looker, though.
Still a nice looker, though.
Drum brakes work perfectly fine on the rear , require less attention than rear discs and wheels stay Cleaner.They've been very cagey with the photos, but this one gives it away - drum brakes at the back
Is it just for looks rear discs are wanted?
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With a full boot, or passengers in the back, I'll definitely take the disc brakes, thank you very much!
I've never understood this fixation about how brakes look. Caked with mud, you can hardly see the wretched things anyway. It's all about how they stop you.
I've never understood this fixation about how brakes look. Caked with mud, you can hardly see the wretched things anyway. It's all about how they stop you.
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Interesting, have you had a bad experience with rear disc brakes?
If he had an Alfasud in the 1980s, the answer will be yes........
Drums do the job - there's so little effort needed from the back brakes on a 950kg car anyway. The only dislike on drums is changing the shoes.
My point was more about the rear-disks on the 4x4 and the fact that you need to pull the hub to change them. That's even worse than trying to stretch the springs on a pair of brake shoes!
Still no formal announcement on the City Cross. Not a fan of the blue but it looks tasty in white. I may as well sell my YE11 number plate to GAR074.
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If it's YE11 OWS, you may well have a buyer!
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No, but there've been occasions, with rear drums and a full load, when I've wanted more stopping power. But I take AB100's point that in a small, light car, the case for rear discs is less compelling. And the Panda's rear disc set-up is just bonkers.
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Rear drums give roughly the same stopping power as rear discs .
The limiting factor on rear braking is the point at which the tyres start to loose grip with the road, mostly due to weight transfer to the front under braking.
Hence before electronic brake force distribution the need for load compensating valves , inertia valves , brake proportioning valves, brake force limiting valves etc etc
I guess if in the Alps , with a fully loaded car , driving spiritedly , with lots of frequent braking , it could be argued that the ability of discs to shed heat more readily than drums would be advantageous because the drum brakes could get hot enough to suffer hot fade.
I think the only way to know would be to take two identical cars except for rear brakes with identical rear loading and test them against each other.
In my experience on both types of set up the front brakes start to struggle due to heat build up before any sign of heat issues on the rear.
