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Love your Panda ...read on.

Do you love your Panda ..whats your top five likes and five dislikes..
Likes.. Dislikes.
1 Free road tax. 1.Hard plastic foam head rests.
2 Free reving Twinair engine. 2.Hard to enter rear doors (deep seat bases)
3.rised up seating position. 3.No spare wheel on mine
4.Mid height gear lever. 4.Gear change indecator
5. Panda in the rear lights. 5.Errr finding this quite hard now..
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Re: Love your Panda ...read on.

Likes: Cheap tax, goes like rocket, reliable, cheap maintenance and it's like driving turbocharged armchair.

Dislikes: Small fuel tank, thirsty, spec on early cars could have matched late 2014 revised spec, depreciation and fair bit bigger than old model in tight spaces.
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Quote Originally Posted by Al D View Post
Likes: Cheap tax, goes like rocket, reliable, cheap maintenance and it's like driving turbocharged armchair.

Dislikes: Small fuel tank, thirsty, spec on early cars could have matched late 2014 revised spec, depreciation and fair bit bigger than old model in tight spaces.
hi thanks for the response it good to know what owners think..
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Re: Love your Panda ...read on.

Hi.
Likes:
Silky smooth 1.2, 4 cylinder engine.
Quiet.
Easy for me to get into and out of (dodgy knee and leg)
4 doors
Light clutch.
Good town fuel consumption.
Lots of room for going to the dump with the seats down.
Cracking colour
Well made and finished.

Dislikes.
Creaking dash that I sorted myself.
Fairly stiff suspension
Daft switch on clutch for upping revs that I took off
Fiat dealers!!!!!!
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Thanks to you.. Above and beyond as allways...
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Like:

Small on the outside. While the turning circle leaves something to be desired, the exterior dimensions means I rarely have to look far to find a parking spot it will fit in.

4x4 system quite capable considering it's a viscous coupling. While I don't expect it to compete with a Subaru for on road handling and Jeep or Land Rover for off road prowess, it's effective enough that winter driving is more fun that it should be, and exploring uninhabited coves at the beach or dirt paths in the forest during holidays means the car itself adds to the experience of adventure.

Light controls (clutch, steering etc.), and I rather like the high gear lever position (close to the steering wheel). The electric power steering is great in town.

Diesel is quite economical in both fuel consumption and tax bracket. It has enough power to get out of it's own way in the city, and the torque helps on the highway, steep inclines, and off road.

Makes me want to go on adventures because I know it can handle it. This is more of a testament to the car as a whole, as it's just big enough for two people on a long road trip around the coast, or it has enough room for a couple friends if we want to do something spontaneous down town. While I know getting there will be a pain, I want to take this car to places I've never been. It makes me want to prepare a Sunday picnic and bbq, and go have a good time with friends in the middle of nowhere. The drivetrain makes me want to go do stupid things in the snow in winter. The size makes me want to take it into the city knowing I can find parking rather than worry about parking and take public transport. It has "character", as auto journalists love to put it. It's like a flawed but trusted and enjoyable friend or dog. It goads you into doing things with it, even if you didn't want to before you hopped in.

Dislike:

Small on the inside, as in there are cars with similar exterior dimensions that have more interior volume or better interior layouts and ergonomics despite having equal or better crash ratings (so it's not all down to newer cars getting fatter pillars to succeed in crash tests compared to older generations). Don't even get me started on how unnecessarily thick the gear column and dash part is. My knee reminds me every day.

Seats and driving position (ergonomics). The seats lack support, and the driving position is typical of an '80's or '90's Italian car, which most likely used orangutans when designing the ergonomics of seating positions because the steering wheel is always just a bit too far away if you get the pedal placement right, and the pedals are too close if you adjust according to the steering wheel. A telescoping steering column is the simplest and least costly of solutions that should have been available all along.

Noisy. The diesel is agricultural at low speeds, downright offensive at high speeds. Road and wind noise is also quite invasive at high speeds, but that's also coupled with the diesel roar due to the lack of a 6th gear. Coupled with the seats, long journeys are not a strong suit.

Economy. Yes, I wrote that in the likes section as well. Yes, it's economical in it's own right but compared to similar vehicles with similar engines and weights, it's not as good as it should be. A diesel Polo of the same year easily and consistently gets 7-10mpg more under the same conditions despite having more power and torque (and comparing within 30kg of weight) and all that discrepancy can't be down to the 4x4 system. It's also not a common car where I live, so once the warranty runs out the prices for parts, repairs, maintenance is worrisome (but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it).

Value. On an emotional level, it's all worth it. I'll put up with all the flaws because it puts a smile on my face when I least expect it. The economics of it, however, are a different story. While circumstances aren't really comparable because everyone is different, in my circumstances it was (and still is) a terrible value proposition. When I bought it (used), it was the least amount of car for the most amount of money. I bought it anyway, because I've wanted a diesel Panda 4x4 since 2008 but they were never imported here. This is the only one to have ever come up for sale in the country so I jumped on the opportunity. Since I've bought it, the depreciation and state of the national economy means while I probably won't lose money when selling it, I wouldn't be able to buy anything remotely comparable for that amount of money at this point (or in the future). The rarity of it here also means most buyers wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole for fear of out-of-warranty repairs and maintenance. For reference regarding how overpriced it was when I got it in 2014 (at 8000km, extremely low for a 2012 model), I could have bought a nearly new Hyundai i30 (under 5000km, 2014 model, 1.6 diesel auto with all the options ticked), or a slightly more used Suzuki Grand Vitara (40000km, 2010 model, 1.9 diesel), or even split the difference between two vehicles (I could have kept the Twingo I had, and bought another 1.2 Dynamic Panda with the massive sunroof and still under 80000km) with money left to spare. So basically, I sank all the money I had saved into this one car because I really really really wanted it, and now I'm stuck with it. A financially smarter person would probably steer clear considering all the variables, but then again... I'm the sort of guy that would be willing to eat breakfast cereal for a week before the next paycheck if it means I won't miss out on the experience of an epic night out with friends the weekend before. In the words of Forrest Gump, "I am not a smart man". So this part's a bit my own damn fault.
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Re: Love your Panda ...read on.

2017 1.3 MJ 4x4
Bear in mind that I have no kids and two wee terriers

Likes - Diesel grunt, even for a 1.3, and it goes right in to the red zone
Driving position
Gear lever position
B road handling (as good as my Alfa GT on Highland roads.
Lack of crazy understeer (I though that it would be aweful but am pleasently surprised )
Boot size for fishing tackle
Shiny black paint and blacked out windows
Cool alloys
Big wing mirrors
Parking ability and turning circle
Winter pack especially the seats
Fun factor
Ground clearance
Uconnect USB for music
Uconnect app
My LED lamps
Panda written on the plastic work and the rear lights.
Simplicity

Dislikes - small tank and limited range when the light comes on!
1.3MJ a bit rattly at times, with a peculiar rattle between 3k and 4k
No telescopic steering wheel
No sixth gear
Seats need to be more bucket like but that might make it awkward to get in and out due to the height.
Won't do the claimed mileage but I DON'T CARE (does the same as my old Alfa GT, low 50s)

Love this car to bits and it makes me smile every time I out corner a German, especially the RS4 that I destroyed between Grantown on Spey and Bridge of Brown
The amount that I can stick in the boot is great. I use a large North Face duffel bag for work and and it drops in to the boot space beautifully with enough room for the case of real ale that I collect every fortnight on the way home from work. All my fishing gear jigsaws in to place perfectly. When my wife and I go on an adventure we have a medium North Face duffel each and there is still room down one side to put the laptop bags.
Pandas rock!

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Hi.
I think this sums it up.
I've had far too many cars over the years.
To mention a few.
VW Beetle's 1960 & 1972.
BMW from the 2002 auto 2002 Tii, 320, 518
Citroen 2CV, GS Estate ZX turbo estate, Dyane
Audi 80's x3
Daf 66
Umpteen Skoda's from the 1000MB to a 1997 Felicia.
Doblo MPV 1.2
Rover 75 x3 and MG ZT

This little Panda has given me more pleasure than the expensive ones I've had in the past.
I loved my Skoda's the MB being the most idiosyncratic ever but was tremendously endearing and when I did some tuning saw off many so called fast cars.

So I'd put the Panda right up at the top, perfect car for us both with grown up kids and mostly just the two of us.
So please Fiat if you do change this model , keep its charm and practicality and don't forget that it is great transport for those that like to be different and don't have a big fat wallet.
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Love the fuel economy.

Love the 4x4 ability.

Only one real niggle for me...........no automatic option on the 4x4

Which is why I will probably get rid of mine at about the 3 year mark.
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18+ years driving Panda's, 3x 141A, 1x169, and now the second Panda 319 with 85 TA engine.

Pro's:
Small cars are Handy in a metropolis, easy to find a parking space.
After some upgrades great fun to drive, and i not even have touch the engine yet.

Con's:
Would like more powerful engines, something with 4 cylinders and a turbo.
I could not think about any further con's, i just like Panda's.
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4x4 system quite capable considering it's a viscous coupling....
No viscous coupling on the post 2012 4x4 models - its all done by electronics/hydraulics/clutches. Good thing about this is, if you jack any wheel you can turn it (fairly) freely -- so you can tell there's no unnecessary drag. (Try that on the old model and you couldn't move just one wheel. If you raised all 4 wheels, turning any one woudl make the other three go round too) The less good thing here is that there is more to go wrong - the viscous coupling on the older model 'just worked'.

Oh, likes/dislikes? Mines a 4x4 MJ - Likes: Bigger, more comfortable and feels better screwed together than my 2005 4x4. 'Lugging power' of the MJ at slow speeds. And, 60+ mpg easily achieved (last 8000 miles, 57mpg). Light on tyres and brakes too (just checked brakes today - 48000 miles) and still plenty left at both ends. Dislikes: bit noisy after 60mph, annoying rattle from the dash - worse when the heating is on and the dash is cold! And, because I have the 'posh' interior lights with map/spotlights, nearly no light gets into the back seats.
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Mine's a 2016 Cross TA

Likes:
Styling
Nippy, goes like a rocket
4x4
Fun
Ride height
Controls
Winter pack
Small exterior
Manoeuvrability

Dislikes:
Rear doors, should have been a 2 door.
Lack of space in back.
Lack of power sockets on the dash
Integrated TomTom
USB Media Play lists

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I don't have it now but did have a 2015 Easy+ 1.2 in white

Likes
Its a Fiat
Price
4 doors
Styling (quirky)
Simplicity
Fuel Economy
Ride quality (way better than my present 500)
Cheap road tax
Boot size

Dislikes
I sold it! But I will get another one in the future.
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white 2010 Panda 1.1 eco, likes looks, good gadgets 30 tax, five doors great economy great driving position, dislikes lip into boot space rear seat folded means no flat rear load area
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2017 4x4 TA

Likes

1 Very good ride
2 Handling, road-holding, steering brakes. Great turning circle.
3 Panda style!
4 Get you home whatever the conditions
5 Excellent gear change and clutch

Dislikes

1 Very very poor fuel consumption compared with previous 169 1.4
2 Noise - over 60 mph radio is nearly inaudible
3 Seats - cushions particularly are not very good on long runs
4 Very slow compared with previous 169 and 1.6 D Bravo ( probably a very good thing really!)
5 Fuel tank is to small

Overall though its a Panda and I totally love Pandas. It now has 11 Panda Logos! The driving package is hard to beat overall and I would only change it for a diesel. I am even considering changing it as there is an identical one locally a year older for sensible money. As I visit Manchester quite often I am waiting for the details of discrimination policy before deciding.

The insurance cost of this car is so low I am overall feeling better about the fuel consumption.

I see Hedley's Towing have a Brink / Thule detachable tow bar on ebay today for 159 so I think I am going to order one. All we need then is the safari roof rack to go on the roof bars that are arriving next week and a snorkel kit and we can go off to do the Pan america highway!!!

Anyone know of a track drive kit??
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