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Is it a FIRE engine?

No, it based on the old Brazilian Tritec/Pentagon engine, but like the FIRE, it's been improved on over the years.

It was what they stuffed into the Mini at one time (BMW one, not the BL one), but I think it's an alloy block now, not steel like it used to be.
Should be right if they've left the Mini's gearbox behind!

Not sure if it's still current, but they used to pull good torque for a straight petrol, right off idle, but BMW did complain it wasn't that powerful.

We looked at the Jeep, but the TV show "Queer as Folk" is still a big scar on our minds!

Been out in the Vitara and it looks like it's a deal.
I know I'm in danger of the boot from the forum if I review the competition here, but I could give my impressions if anyone's interested.
 
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I think the important difference between this green thing and the 500X is the addition of a structural cross brace underneath.

The reviews I've read suggest it has more wind noise and is less economical than the 500X, which given its bricky shape makes sense.

But it looks good in wild colours.
 
''I know I'm in danger of the boot from the forum if I review the competition here, but I could give my impressions if anyone's interested."

Well, I've had a Vitara for over a year, but it's got a Fiat sourced, but Suzuki modified, automatic transmission, so I feel free to comment here. I've owned three Fiats too, as well as three Suzukis, and much else besides so I can't think the occasional opinion matters.

The forum needs informed opinions so don't be afraid to speak up. And anyway, until Fiat gets some new cars launched it can't blame members for looking around.

And this is a good forum.
 
''And anyway, until Fiat gets some new cars launched it can't blame members for looking around."

Yes I wish they'd get a move on. They seem to be investing heavily in Alfa and Jeep at the moment. I was really hoping they were going to replace the Punto but can't see that ever happening now [emoji19]
 
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Definitely no harm in hearing about other brands. I've had a number of Fiat's and now Alfa's in succession, but if they didn't have anything to suit my requirements, I too would look elsewhere.

The new Vitara has a similar whacky appeal to Italian cars and shares the diesel engine and other bits with Fiat, plus some of the dealers are shared, so it'll be interesting to hear comparisons.

I think Fiat Group have got a fairly complete range in terms of crossovers/SUVs (Panda 4x4/500L/500X/Renegade/Cherokee/Maserati Levante) but I agree that in other core parts of the market they are seriously lacking. The 500 continues to sell decently, but it's gonna reach a point where that stops happening because of how old it is. The Panda is very good, but it's getting a tough workout from newer rivals and the Punto and Alfa MiTo are hopelessly overdue for replacement. Fiat do need to get Alfa sorted, but I don't understand the lack of priority for a new Punto at all. They run the risk of losing a lot of their loyal customers if they don't update their bread & butter models.
 
The Vitara drove really well, for us it hit all the marks we'd set.

The 1.6 petrol had a bit of a muted growl and as pointed out earlier, around 4000 rpm the power comes on cam nicely and the muted growl turns almost into a muted snarl, redline it and like most cars, it thrashy (and the salesman poops it).

It's not blessed with lots of torque, but it happily slipped third at slow enough speeds without shuddering and juddering, probably due to the weight (it's only 45kg's or so heavier than a Panda)

5 gears seems a bit mean these days, but they are spaced about right for a vehicle like this.
The 'box is slick enough with and average length of throw, nothing shocking or nasty.
Clutch nice and light with good feel, so much so I balanced it first time on a hilly junction without problems.

The steering is light, almost too light for me (not the Mrs though)
It's a bit odd at speed on the straight ahead, it's not loose, just not the weight and feel you'd expect.
I've read the tyres need setting to comfort pressures, then this gets better.

Brakes have lots of feel without being too keen (like my Panda 4x4).
They're normal and that's praise!

Comfort and ride good.
Seats are comfy, though you can feel an edge in the fabric in the back panel around the lower shoulder blades, I noticed this in the show room cars and passenger seat of the demo.
Drivers seat was better as it's had more use.
I think they just require a bit of breaking in to flatten the seam a bit.

Support is good and my biggest complaint of the Panda, the short seat squab under my thighs, isn't an issue.

They're lots of room between front seats (first thing you notice after the Panda)
Lots of airy space, lots of seat adjustment (both fronts have height adjusters)
Steering wheel adjust up and down, in and out, so setting a comfy position is easy.

Rear room is good for 2 adults to sit in comfort, 3 for short trips if they like each other as the middle seat is a bit tight and there's a hump in the floor.

Leg room behind the drivers seat was acceptable even behind the 6'6" salesman's seat setting.

As written before, some of the plastic trim isn't the best, but the bits you do touch aren't nasty or plush, just acceptable (for us).
Front window ledge a bit high though, for the arm out the window.

Out on the road I steered for every bump and hump I could find and it coped well, soaking most of it up without troubling us inside.

One really bad side road had the back end shimmy/flex a bit, like boxy estate cars tend to do. You do notice you're in a long box!

But to be fair, we ran our 4x4 Panda down the same road on the way home and it rattled and bounced us out of our seats, the surface was actually worse than the Vitara made out!

Body lean was ok, I didn't really notice it at normal speeds, but I took a large roundabout a lot faster than I normally would in any car to see what would happen.
It turned in, leaned a little and then understeered out rather throw us into the side windows! Just as a FWD car should.

All in all, it does have less noticeable drawbacks than we're noticed on similar cars in the same market.
There's nothing we've noticed that we might have said "we might have to live with that", like limited head room in the back, odd shaped boot, poor seat adjustment, blind spots and the rest.

Styling is down to taste, but I think it looks right, nothing looks odd from any angle, it's not Lambo pretty but it ain't ugly. (like the S Cross)

Suzuki have done enough for it's market without adding in too many foibles or niggles, they targeted it just under most of it's rivals, price wise as well.

They've been quite clever really, they've kept it light, cheap and quite nice to drive without throwing out the stuff you really want or need, but the price is a few scratchy plastics, most of which you'll not touch anyway.
 
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I had it up at 60mph and it wasn't overly fussed, quite relaxed, but there was enough in the pedal still if you needed it for an overtake.

I wasn't looking at the tacho, but it wasn't stressed, it just hummed along nicely.

There was a bit of wind whistle around the mirror, just a hiss really, but that's common these days as mirrors have doubled in size and fitted with repeater lenses in the last ten years.
I've just ran round a bit of the M25 in our Pop this afternoon with the window down and the mirror was hollowing like a banshee!

There was a bit of tyre roar on some rougher surfaced roads, it was quite distant though, you expect that in any car these days, what with the crap they surface the road with in some places.

It had a distant "pat pat" over the road joints, rather than the "thud thud" I've had in the Pop this afternoon.

Either of us a speed freaks, I tend to set my speed according to the other traffic around, I like it just a bit under what the rest seem to be doing, I'm a lazy git and can't be arsed pulling out every couple of minutes!
 
Well the Vitara finally arrived and it's really quite a good car, I can sense there might be another one to follow sooner rather than later.

I'm now considering either another SZ5, this time with Allgrip or a Vitara S with the 1.4 turbo which has Allgrip as standard for myself, though the NA 1.6 is more than enough really.

The radar cruise control and brake support is my favourite toy, it works really well.
I thought it might struggle and pick up slower moving cars being passed in the near side lane, but it works a treat without issue.

It has three setting, far, middle and up the arse of the driver in front.
Some knobhead managed to pull out on me and squeeze in the gap when I was testing "up the arse" setting and it jammed the brakes on before I could even think about it.
 
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