General New Addition to the Fleet

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My lads been learning to drive in a old C2 and has been doing well (despite the C2).
He's nearly ready for his test, so we decided to try and motivate him for the final push that teenagers often need and decided to update the C2.

We went to a big car supermarket in North London as it's easier to look at different cars all in one place.

The short list was small as insurance is obvious a issue, group 1, 2 or 3 being the limit.
Looked at the VW Up! and it's clones, they look and feel rather nice but have no creature comforts (manual window winders these days, really?) the 3 pot engine sounds like a diesel and the gearboxes all have a common rattle/whine issue that sounds horrid.

We liked the Aygo and it's clones, particularly the C1.
Much better standard kit, but again a 3 pot engine "wobble", they all felt and looked very cheap and 2 an 3 year old cars are really starting to look a bit worn and tired.

There was a couple of Pandas there, a Pop (£4000 for 39K) and an Easy (£5000 for 15k) and after picking over and drove all of the above it's very clear how good a Panda is.
Sure there are one or two compromises, but the fit and finish is miles better than the rest, the engine's 4 pots sounds and feels just right and they ride the road better, not just a little, a LOT better.

We didn't/couldn't do a deal with the supermarket, both cars had no service history and weren't cheap enough and there's no haggling with them.
They charge you an admin fee of £99, so they actually charge you to pay them!
Worse is the "handling charge", if you want to pay with anything but a debit card, they charge you, so my pocket full of queens heads would have added another £50!

So choice made, now to find a Panda!
A trip across London and into Kent to a Fiat Dealer we've bought from in the past.

A very handsome and surprisingly generous "valued customer" discount was arranged (I was shocked at the amount to be honest) from the £4795 screen price and within minutes a deposit left on a 2012 Panda Pop with only 6500miles in white.
It's so clean and tidy, I can't find a mark on the inside or out and we're promised mats and half a tank of fuel as well.

So from Wednesday our Panda fleet will consist of
2012 Panda Pop 1.2 in White with 6500 miles
2014 Panda Lounge 1.2 in Cancan Red with 6700 miles
2014 Panda 4x4 Antarctica TA in White/Black/Orange with 10500 miles.

Just thinking should we buy the hamster an Easy to finish the collection?
 
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Your experience with the car supermarket is a cautionary tale as well as being rather frightening. How such places manage to sell any cars at all is beyond my imagination.

Can't wait to see the "Three Pandas" in a suitable pose.
 
My lads been learning to drive in a old C2 and has been doing well (despite the C2).
He's nearly ready for his test, so we decided to try and motivate him for the final push that teenagers often need and decided to update the C2.

We went to a big car supermarket in North London as it's easier to look at different cars all in one place.

The short list was small as insurance is obvious a issue, group 1, 2 or 3 being the limit.
Looked at the VW Up! and it's clones, they look and feel rather nice but have no creature comforts (manual window winders these days, really?) the 3 pot engine sounds like a diesel and the gearboxes all have a common rattle/whine issue that sounds horrid.

We liked the Aygo and it's clones, particularly the C1.
Much better standard kit, but again a 3 pot engine "wobble", they all felt and looked very cheap and 2 an 3 year old cars are really starting to look a bit worn and tired.

There was a couple of Pandas there, a Pop (£4000 for 39K) and an Easy (£5000 for 15k) and after picking over and drove all of the above it's very clear how good a Panda is.
Sure there are one or two compromises, but the fit and finish is miles better than the rest, the engine's 4 pots sounds and feels just right and they ride the road better, not just a little, a LOT better.

We didn't/couldn't do a deal with the supermarket, both cars had no service history and weren't cheap enough and there's no haggling with them.
They charge you an admin fee of £99, so they actually charge you to pay them!
Worse is the "handling charge", if you want to pay with anything but a debit card, they charge you, so my pocket full of queens heads would have added another £50!

So choice made, now to find a Panda!
A trip across London and into Kent to a Fiat Dealer we've bought from in the past.

A very handsome and surprisingly generous "valued customer" discount was arranged (I was shocked at the amount to be honest) from the £4795 screen price and within minutes a deposit left on a 2012 Panda Pop with only 6500miles in white.
It's so clean and tidy, I can't find a mark on the inside or out and we're promised mats and half a tank of fuel as well.

So from Wednesday our Panda fleet will consist of
2012 Panda Pop 1.2 in White with 6500 miles
2014 Panda Lounge 1.2 in Cancan Red with 6700 miles
2014 Panda 4x4 Antarctica TA in White/Black/Orange with 10500 miles.

Just thinking should we buy the hamster an Easy to finish the collection?

Whenever I see those vw ups on the road, I really struggle to see what all the fuss is about. The Pandas are far nicer.
 
I shall be working out a suitable pose featuring all three next week.

The dealer was really sweet and let my lad take the price out of the window and write "SOLD" on the screen.


The Up! and it's cousins, the Citigo and Mii aren't that bad to look at when you consider all these city cars these days tend to look a bit girly or at best, none threatening. It's not easy finding something for an 18 year old lad!

There's a quality feel about them finish too, panels and trim all seem well finished.
There isn't much to the Take Up! and the S models of the others, they are pretty mean, equipment wise, VW don't even give you a complete steering wheel!

It's the engine, gearbox and drive that lets them down.
I could have sworn when they fired up they small diesels, I lifted the bonnet to check, they idled with a rough uneven clatter, underneath this was an awful rattly chatter from the gearbox (something well noted by owners) that movement of the clutch pedal made worse.

At speed the gearbox has an awful whine, something I've not heard since an original Mini on the over run.
They handled rather good, but for a city car they don't really cope with some of the larger speed humps to well, it's a shame really as I rally wanted to like them, particularly Skodas Citigo, it looks a bit for serious and business like than he rest.

I guess it all goes to show what a great choice the Panda, in all it's forms is.
You get in and it just feels like a proper little car without too many compromises.
 
I went to an Up launch just before chopping the Yeti for a Fabia VRS. For some reason the dealer had put the bottom of the range in the showroom for all to see. Someone had already nicked/broken off the fuel filler flap by the time I got there. A few moments poking around - the boot was big but that's the only memorable highlight and I left wondering what all the fuss was about. The dealer was offering free hair shirts to go with the poverty spec?

All the magazines agree it's by far the best city car, seems it has an unbiased road test defeat chip as standard.
 
The Panda is, in my view, a perfect 'First Car' for a young driver - compact proportions, though still with room to give a few mates a lift, adequate go (but not too much to get them in deep trouble), able to handle a long trip comfortably and safely. Any new driver would be lucky to have such a car, particularly with such low mileage!

We looked at the UP!/Citigo/Mii triumvirate when picking a second, city car, but couldn't get excited about them - the Panda was just more 'fun' to be around!
 
The Panda is, in my view, a perfect 'First Car' for a young driver - compact proportions, though still with room to give a few mates a lift, adequate go (but not too much to get them in deep trouble), able to handle a long trip comfortably and safely. Any new driver would be lucky to have such a car, particularly with such low mileage!

We looked at the UP!/Citigo/Mii triumvirate when picking a second, city car, but couldn't get excited about them - the Panda was just more 'fun' to be around!

Sadly though, a lot of youngsters overlook Fiats, especially the Panda.
 
Sadly though, a lot of youngsters overlook Fiats, especially the Panda.


I've been driving a panda of some description since I was 19! I may not of been the fastest out of me and my mates but I definitely had the most fun!


I drive a twin air now and although it's faster than the 1.2 it's nowhere near as fun to rag. Honestly considering trading for a 1.2 or a Citigo/Mii/Up!
 
I've been driving a panda of some description since I was 19! I may not of been the fastest out of me and my mates but I definitely had the most fun!


I drive a twin air now and although it's faster than the 1.2 it's nowhere near as fun to rag. Honestly considering trading for a 1.2 or a Citigo/Mii/Up!

I developed my love of Fiats when I was 15. I bought my 1st Fiat, a 2004 Punto mk2b in 2010, just before I turned 20; and last year, I traded that in for my dream car: a Grande Punto. I get teased and laughed at a lot, but Fiats are by far my favourite cars on the road.

And if you do trade your TwinAir in, then definitely get a Panda 1.2, lol!! ;)
 
I shall be working out a suitable pose featuring all three next week.

The dealer was really sweet and let my lad take the price out of the window and write "SOLD" on the screen.


The Up! and it's cousins, the Citigo and Mii aren't that bad to look at when you consider all these city cars these days tend to look a bit girly or at best, none threatening. It's not easy finding something for an 18 year old lad!

There's a quality feel about them finish too, panels and trim all seem well finished.
There isn't much to the Take Up! and the S models of the others, they are pretty mean, equipment wise, VW don't even give you a complete steering wheel!

It's the engine, gearbox and drive that lets them down.
I could have sworn when they fired up they small diesels, I lifted the bonnet to check, they idled with a rough uneven clatter, underneath this was an awful rattly chatter from the gearbox (something well noted by owners) that movement of the clutch pedal made worse.

At speed the gearbox has an awful whine, something I've not heard since an original Mini on the over run.
They handled rather good, but for a city car they don't really cope with some of the larger speed humps to well, it's a shame really as I rally wanted to like them, particularly Skodas Citigo, it looks a bit for serious and business like than he rest.

I guess it all goes to show what a great choice the Panda, in all it's forms is.
You get in and it just feels like a proper little car without too many compromises.


A bonus to your choice is the colour. White makes the Panda look bigger and chunkier than it actually is.


My neighbour’s wife has a white 3 door VW Up. When she parks it on their drive and I am feeling mischievous I swap our red 4x4 and white Trekking around so that the ambient white Trekking (with pumpkin interior) is parked just six feet from the VW. The difference in both size, quality of finish and road presence is both obvious and striking with the Panda the clear winner.


I just spent two weeks in Greece where I drove around in a Suzuki Jimny and although I owned one for a while and loved it, my Panda 4x4 (for similar £s) is a far superior car in every way. When I got back home and drove both Pandas I knew that here were cars I could live with for many years.


Unfortunately Fiat have a long way to go in spreading the message about how and why the Panda is simply a great value for money car.
 
I developed my love of Fiats when I was 15. I bought my 1st Fiat, a 2004 Punto mk2b in 2010, just before I turned 20; and last year, I traded that in for my dream car: a Grande Punto. I get teased and laughed at a lot, but Fiats are by far my favourite cars on the road.

And if you do trade your TwinAir in, then definitely get a Panda 1.2, lol!! ;)

I have a family member who thinks their Juke is a better car than my Panda 4x4!
 
I have a family member who thinks their Juke is a better car than my Panda 4x4!


My Cross wrote off a Nissan Joke just 400 miles from new. Cracked headlight and bent towing eye for the Cross. I have been congratulated several times in removing such an eyesore from the road. In the owners defence he was "attempting" to drive it during the Joke's nighttime curfew.

No, I don't think the Puke is Nissan's finest hour but each to his own I suppose.
 
I drive a twin air now and although it's faster than the 1.2 it's nowhere near as fun to rag. Honestly considering trading for a 1.2 or a Citigo/Mii/Up!

The best for fun was a 750L Mk1 I had.
There's something very satisfying extracting every last ounce out of 34bhp.
It was around this time of my life I discovered what valve bounce was!

You'll want an extended test drive in a Up/Citigo/Mii and a read of their forums.
They do have some issues, particularly that awful gearbox rattle.
 
My Cross wrote off a Nissan Joke just 400 miles from new. Cracked headlight and bent towing eye for the Cross. I have been congratulated several times in removing such an eyesore from the road. In the owners defence he was "attempting" to drive it during the Joke's nighttime curfew.

No, I don't think the Puke is Nissan's finest hour but each to his own I suppose.

Here's another congratulations! Nice work! ;)

For some reason, you see those jukes everywhere!!!!
 
Tut and moreTuts -Juke versus Panda 4x4 - it's a matter of horses for courses.
We have both Nissan Juke Nismo and Panda 4x4 TA - both are different driving experiences. Love the Panda to bits, but for raw performance the Juke wins.


Bob
 
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