Our 4x4 is 'second user' with alloys and in inflation kit.
I'd like to get a steel spare wheel.

Anyone know where to get the right size with a tyre at a non-stinging price? Also might need wheel bolts for the spare as the alloy wheel ones might be a different configuration?

Haven't checked if there is a jack or anything yet - might need one of those too - any suggestions.

Help appreciated!

Things have changed since I last had a 'new car' around 10 years ago!

I've got a 1 month old 4x4 that I spec'd with the spare wheel. I can try and have a look and see if there's any info on it that that might help you find what you need. It is a space saver btw. It came with a narrow bag full of gubbins like jack and wrench etc that sits in the boot taking space (unfortunately it doesn't fit in the spare wheel well) but I'd rather have it than not.

The salesman was adamant that it was the same wheel and kit that comes with the 500 if that helps you find one second hand. When buying the car it was a £50 option but not sure how much they'd charge if buying one after the event.

Hope that helps,
Mick

MickG said:

I've got a 1 month old 4x4 that I spec'd with the spare wheel. I can try and have a look and see if there's any info on it that that might help you find what you need. It is a space saver btw. It came with a narrow bag full of gubbins like jack and wrench etc that sits in the boot taking space (unfortunately it doesn't fit in the spare wheel well) but I'd rather have it than not.

The salesman was adamant that it was the same wheel and kit that comes with the 500 if that helps you find one second hand. When buying the car it was a £50 option but not sure how much they'd charge if buying one after the event.

Hope that helps,
Mick

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It's not the same Mick, so the salesman was wrong. The 4x4 has a longer Jack and should be marked "4x4". It won't fit in the spare wheel, so is in a separate bag.

There are quite a few threads on this - just hit the search button above and they pop up.

A wheel of the right size will be ok, but you'll need the 4x4 Jack (presumably, or it wouldn't be different).

Thanks for correcting that Palio,
M

And more importantly, thanks for reminding me of my Rule #1 ... Never trust a salesman. ;-)

M

As far as I remember, the jack for mine has Qubo stamped on it.

My 4x4 diesel (just two years old) was supplied with space-saver spare, tyre size 125/80 R15. From those figures you can calculate that the outside diameter is 27.5mm less than the normal tyres (175/65 R15), but nothing larger would fit the well in the boot floor.

According to the manual (4x4 Supplement) “If the space-saverwheel is used, the control unit for 4x4 drive detects its presence (via the wheel speed signals) and reduces the intervention of the four-wheel drive to a minimum, while guaranteeing the agility of the car. No fault/alarm signal is displayed on theinstrument panel or on the display.”

My space-saver wheel rim size is 4.00B 15H ET35.

If you are looking in a breaker’s yard, there might be other Fiat models that use the same size of space-saver wheel and tyre.

As has been said, the 4x4 jack is supplied in a separate bag. The 4x4 is a bit higher than the other models. If you decide to make do with a jack from a 2wd car, it would be a good idea to carry a 2” thick block of wood to put under that jack.

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As far as I remember, the jack for mine has Qubo stamped on it.

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Yes one of the other threads mentioned either "4x4" or "Qubo" (I nearly left the autocorrect "wino" in, as it seemed quite insistent!!) stamped on their 4x4 jack's. That might therefore be an alternative source for the OP.

Picked my new 4x4 up three weeks ago, as it was already built I was not given the choice of a space saver although the dealer offered me one for £365 with tool kit.

Bought a full size spare on a steel rim with mud and snow tyre delivered for £106 from Mytyres. I dont see the point in not having a full size spare on a 4x4 as I'm bound to get a puncture on some dirt track in the mountains miles from the nearest help. Also bought an unused space saver with tool kit from ebay for £73 for everyday use.

Loving the new 4x4 panda (this being my fifth panda) and really should of gone 4x4 years ago, happy days.

I have been wondering if a full size spare would fit in the wheel well? Presumably that's where you would put the road wheel that you have taken off? I already have my 'box of essential car bits' in the boot. So the jack could go in that. I'll take a look on eBay. The 'box of essential bits' is just a good tow rope, extending wheel spanner, spare bulbs, pair of gardening gloves, plastic sheet to kneel/lie on, some fixit film for the lights/reflectors. The winter version also has a bottle of water, in car drinks boiler, sachets of coffee, a handwarmer and a silver blanket thing. Great if you get stuck on the summit of the snake pass for 4 hours. (Because of the rest of the traffic that's stuck not the Panda!).

The box for it all is from poundland.

Sadly, the spare wheel well is too small for a full size wheel - both too small in diameter and too shallow in depth. So, if you want to carry a full size spare, you need to put it elsewhere. (Suspect it won't fit the bot at all without folding the seat – certainly that was the case with my older 2005 4x4)

Interesting that the Qubo might offer a jacking solution. My previous 4x4 had skinny spare, and the jack and tools fitted in a neat polystyrene 'tray' that sat over the wheel but under the boot carpet. Fiat even supplied a 2" thick plastic block the jack sat in to raise it!

Here's a link to buy a steel full size wheel (no tyre) for £33. (For some reason this link sets the quantity to buy as 5).

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/r...1203: :58.00:98.00:4:312 ::P:E3*2007/46*0064*..

You'd need to add a tyre, and will need to choose something that will work on either side of the car -- the original tyres have a 'rotation' arrow and are mounted on the rim according to the side of the car they are used on. Most winter tyres are marked 'rotation' but many 'all season' tyres are marked 'outside' so can be mounted on that rim and used on either side of the car.

My March 14 4x4 was also originally ordered without a spare, so came with the Pump & Goop option only. The car was a cancelled order so I had to negotiate to get a space saver and jack kit included in the deal. I was amazed to see that the one-off cost was indeed £300 or thereabouts and it was a bit of a struggle to get the dealer to agree.....

.... so I just now went outside and checked the jack to see if it said 4x4 or Qubo on it - no, it's clearly from another car they had in stock and their idea was probably to just swap the Pump&Goop bits for the wheel and jack from something else. I then had to ask for the missing Pump&Goop bits back, as that's what the car I bought had supplied (and the pump is a very useful thing to have as well).

Anyway, thanks to this thread I have now put a couple of 2" wooden blocks in the boot to make the undersized jack actually work. Better to find that out now instead of on a wet country lane on a Friday night. Thanks folks

Funny, that's why it came up with the salesman. He'd said he could try and get my spec from stock. If they had one with the same spec apart from the spare wheel he'd get me that one and just throw in a wheel & kit from a 500 to save waiting for a factory order. Luckily they had one in my spec including the spare kit.

I wonder how many people are driving round with a useless jack AND no fix and go kit!

Imagine finding out while kneeling in a ditch in the rain! I'd go ballistic.

M

Well we got a Trekking last year and had a puncture last week...
We only have the Fix and Go kit, yeah that wasn't going to work.

Called Ciao Fiat at 6:15pm -
No problem we will get someone out to you in the next hour.
*Chasing for the next 2 hours asking where the van is etc*
9:15pm - Flat bed arrives to pick us up and take the car home
---NEXT DAY---
7:30am - Flat bed takes car from home to closest dealer
1:00pm - We are having problems locating a wheel for your car
4:30pm - We need to order one - it's £97, It should come tomorrow
---NEXT DAY---
10:00am - Sorry the Back Order is going to take a week to get here - Trying to source another
1:00pm - Sorry the only place we can get these is from Germany - Do you want a Standard 4x4 Winter Tyre we can get these done today as long as the Fiat Engineer is happy about the Tread etc.
4:00pm - Collected One Trekking with 3 Mud and Snow Tyres and one 4x4 Tyres

Moral of the story, get a spare tyre for the Trekking.

Might be something I look in too...

:slayer:

Cheers Palio, checked my jack and it was incorrect, only had a height of 32cm so got one from Halfords that goes up to 39cm and does the trick.

Many thanks.

It's a very similar story here. New Panda Cross, less than 1 week old and I pick up a puncture in the sidewall. The pump and go only partially seals. I call Ciao and was less than satisfied with the service when they ask could I ring round and find a tyre dealer who might have the Goodyear Vector 4 Season tyre in stock. I expected them to be able to point me to a dealer. Of course none of the usual suspects have, or can easily get hold of the Vector 4 seasons. I gave up and took it the Fiat dealer who says it may be 3 or 4 days before they can source a tyre. Oh well at least they gave me a loan car.

On the plus side, Panda Cross twin air, 350 miles, 48.5 mpg - very pleased.

Read this with interest as experiences with Fix and Go gloop not good with my Juke Nismo, making me buy emergency spare and jack.
So when I ordered the Panda 4x4, I insisted on the jack and space saver spare.
Salesman said something along the lines of ' If we haven't got one in stock, we'll take it from another car'. To my relief on checking I
can confirm that the spare is 125/80 R15 and much to my relief the jack is marked 4x4.
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Cadwest said:

I dont see the point in not having a full size spare on a 4x4 as I'm bound to get a puncture on some dirt track

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Agreed. I was shocked when buying mine that the dealer said that a spare wheel was only an option; but he sensibly only sold his 4x4s with the option (albeit a space saver one). Even if you never go off-road, the spirit of a 4x4 is such that your tyre could be ripped to shreds on rocks or barbed wire.

He said that changing wheels by the roadside is being officially discouraged due to people being struck by passing traffic.

As for 4x2 jacks being too low for the 4x4, it is no bad thing to have a big-ish timber block under the foot of the jack anyway - if only to spread the load on that off-road dirt!

I always rehearse wheel-changing when I change my car - there are all sorts of possible show-stoppers in there, especially if the car is second-hand. Loosen and tighten all wheel nuts one-by-one too, or you might find they were last done up by Rambo with a 10 ft scaffold pole - AA men carry such a pole around in case it's necessary to undo such wheel nuts, it is a common problem.

Good idea Doc, I also carry a couple of wooden chocks as well due to mainly being off road in mountainous areas, come in handy when parking on steep inclines.