- Joined
- Jan 20, 2017
- Messages
- 799
- Points
- 173
Oi! Don't get personal about my settings! ?22 pages if you have the right settings
General Facelift Fiat Panda 319.
- Thread starter The Pretender
- Start date
Currently reading:
General Facelift Fiat Panda 319.
- Status
- Joined
- Feb 24, 2016
- Messages
- 471
- Points
- 84
Fiat just had to evolve the succesfull cars that they used to have. The Punto was always a strong offering and they should have gradually evolved it every couple of years. Just like VW does with all of it's models and Ford also very succesfully has done with the Fiesta.
But instead the kept the grande Punto way to long with hardly any changes on the outside (all for the worse) and a crappy update of the interior with no space to put anything at all and looking cheap and nasty (but with a bit of soft touch material the press is always whining about) compared to the first generation Grande Punto.Also held on way to long to the blue and me system (wich works fine but is realy outdated).
In stead they should have evolved the outside without loosing the original style with better headlights and tiny other changes and on the inside full map sat nav entertainment systems and the latest safety features like lane departure and other stuff like that.
With the 500 they did do it this way all though I feel they are again dragging behind the competition.
People nowadays don't like to many radical changes as the most popular models in the current market demonstrate very clearly.
Last edited:
Chevrolet 66 0 4 0 1,550.00
Lotus 268 0.01 334 0.01 -19.76
McLaren 544 0.02 0 0 0
Other British 655 0.03 770 0.03 -14.94
Aston Martin 1,393 0.06 799 0.03 74.34
Bentley 1,631 0.07 1,820 0.07 -10.38
Maserati 1,576 0.07 1,285 0.05 22.65
Subaru 2,433 0.1 3,282 0.13 -25.87
Infiniti 3,456 0.14 2,813 0.11 22.86
Ssangyong 3,449 0.14 4,270 0.17 -19.23
Abarth 4,169 0.17 3,690 0.15 12.98
MG 3,987 0.17 3,825 0.15 4.24
Alfa Romeo 4,693 0.2 4,589 0.18 2.27
Other Imports 5,268 0.22 3,115 0.12 69.12
Jeep 6,119 0.26 13,277 0.53 -53.91
DS 8,805 0.37 15,318 0.61 -42.52
smart 9,867 0.41 11,172 0.44 -11.68
Lexus 11,898 0.5 13,165 0.52 -9.62
Porsche 13,015 0.54 11,833 0.47 9.99
Mitsubishi 14,865 0.62 17,178 0.68 -13.46
Dacia 24,166 1.01 24,608 0.98 -1.8
Jaguar 33,535 1.4 32,302 1.28 3.82
Mazda 37,523 1.57 44,498 1.77 -15.67
Suzuki 38,014 1.59 35,903 1.43 5.88
Fiat 42,830 1.79 56,652 2.25 -24.4
Volvo 42,944 1.8 42,960 1.71 -0.04
Citroen 49,275 2.06 60,338 2.4 -18.34
Honda 51,269 2.15 55,812 2.22 -8.14
SEAT 52,282 2.19 44,108 1.75 18.53
MINI 61,039 2.56 61,601 2.45 -0.91
Renault 65,916 2.76 79,044 3.14 -16.61
Skoda 73,325 3.07 74,715 2.97 -1.86
Peugeot 78,092 3.27 92,776 3.69 -15.83
Land Rover 78,467 3.29 74,567 2.97 5.23
Hyundai 88,377 3.7 86,794 3.45 1.82
Kia 89,449 3.75 85,576 3.4 4.53
Toyota 96,797 4.05 92,104 3.66 5.1
Nissan 143,397 6 141,897 5.64 1.06
BMW 161,630 6.77 167,527 6.66 -3.52
Audi 164,311 6.88 165,985 6.6 -1.01
Mercedes-Benz 170,543 7.14 159,608 6.35 6.85
Vauxhall 181,834 7.61 233,881 9.3 -22.25
Volkswagen 193,117 8.09 191,394 7.61 0.9
Ford 271,855 11.38 297,575 11.83 -8.64
Total 2,388,144 2,514,764 -5.04
Interesting figures. Vauxhall sales dropping significantly, while people seem to be flocking to 'premium' brands (Merc, Infiniti, Maserati) instead. Add up all the VAG stuff though and they are outselling pretty much everyone else.
If I were FIAT looking at this, I'd ponder the massive volumes taken by Hyundai/Kia and ask myself - Is this down to the 7 year warranty they offer? Why else would they sell in such volumes after such a relatively short time in the market?
My next car will be a new Panda (current Pop model) or whatever replaces it, assuming it doesn't get bland and start to look like a VW! And the price stays low and the car stays basic - which, to be honest it most likely will as the Panda always seems to have been.
Failing that, if they get all moody over Brexit or whatever and raise the prices I'll just go for a Honda Jazz or a Suzuki Celerio depending on the funds!
Failing that, if they get all moody over Brexit or whatever and raise the prices I'll just go for a Honda Jazz or a Suzuki Celerio depending on the funds!
Not just down to warranty they actually sell competitive cars as well, for a reasonable price with a decent warranty
gar074
Prominent member
They also refresh their ranges very frequently, and have good coverage of models across the piste. Every time I see a Hyundai or Kia from a decade ago, I'm struck by how far they've progressed since then. At this rate of decline, Fiat is finished in the UK. It would be dead already, were it not for the 500. Sad but true.
Last edited:
gar074
Prominent member
It's sobering to realise that they don't seem to have paid much of a price, in terms of sales at least, for dieselgate. Another depressing example of the ends justifying the means?
Looking at the top selling brands either by build-country or ownership, one suspects the German delegation will welcome a smooth Brexit transition and a tariff-free market in which to peddle their wares.
Hard to see why Alfa bother tooling up for RHD unless the Japanese/Australians/South Africans have a penchant. As for Jeep........
They have paid the price, but their product is attractive enough to still want to buy it. Simple as that. Something like this would bury Fiat.
- Joined
- Mar 1, 2014
- Messages
- 4,579
- Points
- 828
Don't forget the Dacia Sandero!
I don't mind Hyundais and Kias. The I20 is especially smart.
OP
OP
Now, I really expect the new GSE-Firefly engines in this generation Panda.
As the new Panda/500 is plannet for Q3 2020, i don't see them do that with the old FIRE and TwinAir engines.
FCA have to boost Panda/500 sales alone the way to keep selling these aging models, and new engines is one way to do that.
As the new Panda/500 is plannet for Q3 2020, i don't see them do that with the old FIRE and TwinAir engines.
FCA have to boost Panda/500 sales alone the way to keep selling these aging models, and new engines is one way to do that.
Did anyone see the most recent episode of the Grand Tour? An UP! Clone is exactly what fiat needs.
- Joined
- Jan 20, 2017
- Messages
- 799
- Points
- 173
Why? We've got an Up clone. Competent but very bland. The seats are awful too.
- Joined
- Mar 1, 2014
- Messages
- 4,579
- Points
- 828
What Fiat needs is another hit. The previous shape Panda sold like hot cakes. They need either a new Panda or a new Punto (or preferably both) to be immensely popular.
- Joined
- Jan 20, 2017
- Messages
- 799
- Points
- 173
They need something that is enjoyable to own and drive. My concern is that you can have a car that does things well but ultimately feels like an appliance. I don't know why this is - but there's a reason we both enjoy using the Panda and, since buying it, both use it more than our other car. On paper the motoring journalists might tell you the other one is a better car - but after a week it's incredibly boring to drive. I guess if we were robots we would all drive the one that was measurably better in numbers, but we're not, we drive what we enjoy - even if it's something we can't put a finger on. Some things are just more than the sum of their parts.
We like having two very different cars in our household because we enjoy that contrast - having said that, my other half says her next car will be a Panda... I'm hoping I can stretch to a Giulia by then ?
OP
OP
Although i'm happy with the Panda i have, but i think the Panda has grown to much.
It's a big A-segment car now, and not a small A-segment car anymore.
One step bigger and it becomes a B-segmenter.
FCA could better change the Panda in a 5-door 500, and change the 500 in a 3-door Panda.
OP
OP
I would like to have two very different cars in my household.
My Panda and a Nissan GT-R.
- Joined
- Jan 20, 2017
- Messages
- 799
- Points
- 173
[emoji23] [emoji106]I would like to have two very different cars in my household.
My Panda and a Nissan GT-R.
- Status
