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General Facelift Fiat Panda 319.

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The Pretender said:
Small volume engines perform better with less and bigger valves, like the 1.2ltr-8v FIRE engine.
Fiat could opted for the 85 hp 1.2-16v FIRE engine (Punto) instead of a turbo TwinAir.
Panda's would probably sell a lot better with it.
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A fair number of 500s seem to be Twin Airs where I live. Maybe the characterics of the engine suit the 500 better?
Also you can get the 105 version in the 500 which may make a difference.
 
The Pretender said:
Yes, a 652cc engine from the Fiat 126.
Never available in the Netherlands, we got it from the start with a 0.9ltr 4 cylinder and 45 hp, later also with a 850cc 34 hp 4 cylinder engine. ;)
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I seem to remember we had the 750 here. My first one was a 45S - a 0.9 litre I think. Then I had a 1000ie - which was really smooth. Both, sadly, succumbed to ferrous oxide - the engines remained fairly rock solid in both cars - just had a head gasket that needed doing in one of them at 90k miles - a slow leak rather than a spectacular failure.
 
JCarp16 said:
It is a smooth engine, it's also capable of a lot of miles if looked after. I liked the 16V version in my old Punto. That was a gem. I would've liked to have seen a higher power version in the Panda Mk 3 - this was not available, hence I got a TA (I also liked the noise the TA makes - somewhere between a lawnmower on steroids and a Merlin, sometimes sounding like a mini V8 when chugging along at low speed. I think I'm just too fond of quirky over common sense.
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In that case i would had drove still a Panda 85 Lounge only with a 85 hp 1.2-16v FIRE engine under the bonnet. :D
 
SB1500 said:
Am I the only person who prefers a non turbocharged engine? The beauty of the simplicity and non-dependence on a complex system for basic power.

I love the fact the petrol in my car responds quicker than half the diesels on the road. No turbo needed , even at the cost of excess unneeded power for carting about one person
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I agree absolutely - a really well managed, normally aspirated, 1300/1400 four-cylinder would be ideal for the Panda - cheaper to make and simpler to maintain, with the attributes you're looking for.
 
JCarp16 said:
I seem to remember we had the 750 here. My first one was a 45S - a 0.9 litre I think. Then I had a 1000ie - which was really smooth. Both, sadly, succumbed to ferrous oxide - the engines remained fairly rock solid in both cars - just had a head gasket that needed doing in one of them at 90k miles - a slow leak rather than a spectacular failure.
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750 was a short stroke FIRE emgine - very sweet but not much torque. Not available in the UK, as with the in-line air-cooled 650 engine from the 126
 
babbo_umbro said:
750 was a short stroke FIRE emgine - very sweet but not much torque. Not available in the UK, as with the in-line air-cooled 650 engine from the 126
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Are you sure? I thought I saw a 750L on the road here. Of course it may have been an import. We definitely had the 903cc version though - that was my first car.
 
I've definitely seen a few 750s here in England in the past.

With regards to the other FIRE engines, the only Fiats I've driven have been a 2004 1.2 8v Punto mk2b, and the 2008 1.4 8v Grande Punto I currently own: I've loved the FIRE engines in both of those, but I would like to try out a TwinAir 1 day, out of interest.
 
I hope they keep it small.. if they make it much larger (and apparently for safety that's quite likely) then I'll probably jump ship to a Suzuki Celerio as it's small and less boring than EU made equivalents in a weird, ugly ducking way that appeals to me a bit like my 169 Panda
 
The Pretender said:
Chinese Fiat Panda. :rolleyes:
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It may not be like that. More a case of investment as happened with Volvo's Chinese ownership, or JLR with Indian ownership. The Chinese aren't that good at engineering and making cars at the moment so it's likely the design and engineering will not happen in China.
 
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