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Goudrons said:
There have been a few reporting this around this sort of mileage, it's the plugs, both of them!
They cough and fart mid revs and can sound a bit rough and rattly.
Mine did it and a new set sorted it out.


In regards to 2017 models.
It's just a mid life face lift like the 500 got recently.

A few tweeks to the styling like indicator repeators in the mirror covers, some new colours (which won't be a shock as only three or four are offered at the moment)

A couple of (or more like one) new seat fabrics, I'm sure they'll jam in a version of their Infotainment system in at least one trim level with perhaps a revised dash to make it fit (though the thought of them hacking a hole in the current one wouldn't surprise me).

You'd guess something new to the Panda, safety related would be offered as standard.
It would be on Fiat's shelf already, if not on the current options list.

I believe they'll also tweek some of the current engines for emissions reasons (so even thinner oil) and revise (cheapen) the rear suspension set up.

Seems a new Panda with new engines is due in 2020 (ish).

But we'll see/hear the new engines sooner, they are breaking cover in next years Uno/Palio in Brazil and perhaps some other markets like India. (those markets that G8 sanction due to pollution while looking the other way in their respective countries) and then appear in the 500 replacement before the new Panda.

I'm guessing, as it seems a trait of Fiat and most other manufacturers, that some of the current engines will carry over for a while, probably in the lower specced cars and/or markets they can get away with it, they'll be cheaper to buy, but more to run due to heavier emission/taxation.

You'd think this would likely be the TA as it seems Fiat have taken the FIRE about as far as possible, emissions/cost wise, but you never know, it could be with us for a lot longer yet if regulations allow!

I don't think the TA has been the massive success hoped of it, probably due to it's poor real world mpg figures, don't know why they didn't offer it as a Hybrid?
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# There is not much facelifting done.
# Don't look like there will be indicator repeators in the mirror covers.
# They did a very nice job with the infotainment upgrade, involving your Mobile Phone with the system, no more separate TomTom unit.
 
The Pretender;4193992# Don't look like there will be indicator repeators in the mirror covers. [/QUOTE said:
I admit, you are probably correct with that.
It would mean stamping out new wings as the current ones have holes in them!
I guess they might find some plastic bungs for the holes in a Mazda parts bin, after all they found a sports car in there last time they looked!

I'm a bit worried they might try graffing on the 500 badge/chrome moustache on the front and try to give the range a Fiat family look.

They just could have given us this, I'd be happy! (obviously the pedals and steering wheel need fixing first)
http://www.fiat.com.br/carros/novo-uno.html
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I really wouldn't mind an Uno in the UK at a Sandero entry level price. Wonder if they'd sell in the UK. Probably not as Fiat would otherwise do it though.. Or maybe it would cannibalise the Panda (due to being too similar on first glance) and make the 500 look over priced.

Hopefully it's not as bad as some of the Indian releases with NO AIR BAGS..
 
Still hoping to see a quicker Panda. ;)
 

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The Pretender said:
Still hoping to see a quicker Panda. ;)
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I had those wheels on my TA. It didn't make it quicker, that's for sure! Sold the wheels, back to wheeltrim-less, silver-painted 14in stock steel wheels.

It'd have to have a heap more power/torque to overcome the drag and extra weight of 17in wheels. Love the look though!

I want gripper tyres than the woeful OE Conti EcoContacts (?) on it ATM.

I'm still on the hunt for 16in used steel rims from a Ritmo (Bravo). Might end up going for the Panda accessory 15in diamond-cut alloys though.
 
AusPanda said:
I had those wheels on my TA. It didn't make it quicker, that's for sure! Sold the wheels, back to wheeltrim-less, silver-painted 14in stock steel wheels.

It'd have to have a heap more power/torque to overcome the drag and extra weight of 17in wheels. Love the look though!

I want gripper tyres than the woeful OE Conti EcoContacts (?) on it ATM.

I'm still on the hunt for 16in used steel rims from a Ritmo (Bravo). Might end up going for the Panda accessory 15in diamond-cut alloys though.
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Best looking Fiat wheels for the Panda. ;)
 
I hope Fiat keeps the new Panda cheap or perhaps cheaper.

In the UK it's £9,510 for the POP - the model I want so I'm not slagging it off - but you do get a lot more from Vauxhall with their Viva, the new Ka+ when released by Ford and many many other cars in the same city car sector today.

Now, us Fiat fans love these cars and their character (and even the flaws too I'm sure) but as a business Fiat surely has to be seen to compete and sell to the masses!

So I genuinely do wonder if (now that the 500 is mature and perhaps their key income) the Panda will get a boost on the 'value' sector and offer at least a reasonable amount more than those competitors.

The POP doesn't have remote locking or a glove box! those are im guessing things that would put the typical city car buyer off, mostly when they see the endless options list of the others for around 1.5k less.

As I said, even with the features, the others never seem to interest me over even a POP but if the new Panda (face lift or 2020) is more expensive, and still lacking in what most people call 'value' then I'm scared for Fiats future as a business!

Long live the Panda!!!
 
SB1500 said:
I hope Fiat keeps the new Panda cheap or perhaps cheaper.

In the UK it's £9,510 for the POP - the model I want so I'm not slagging it off - but you do get a lot more from Vauxhall with their Viva, the new Ka+ when released by Ford and many many other cars in the same city car sector today.
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It can be difficult to compare car prices without knowing what discounts can be negotiated between different marques. Elsewhere on Fiat's UK site, a Panda in Pop trim is advertised as £6,995 and that puts a different perspective on things.

http://www.fiat.co.uk/new-car-deals/Panda
 
gazz_bee said:
It can be difficult to compare car prices without knowing what discounts can be negotiated between different marques. Elsewhere on Fiat's UK site, a Panda in Pop trim is advertised as £6,995 and that puts a different perspective on things.
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Shop around and you could probably get another £500 off that price.

IMO there's no way a Panda pop is worth £9510, nor anything like it.
 
jrkitching said:
Shop around and you could probably get another £500 off that price.

IMO there's no way a Panda pop is worth £9510, nor anything like it.
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I completely agree, as a fan I think I'm still one of the rare people who would accept paying that for one.. But that won't suffice for most of the U.K. Market who will simply go for a ''better'' brand as some might try to put it.

The £6,995 price seems to be a limited time offer. However that would be a great price point for a future model

If my Panda was around £8k new, was that considered cheap ten years ago?!
 
SB1500 said:
If my Panda was around £8k new, was that considered cheap ten years ago?!
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It might have been £8k list, but in the day you could buy them for about £5500. At that price, it was a reasonable deal. £8k would have bought you a better car then.

Fiat have a long standing history of setting high list prices to give dealers room to offer seemingly attractive but meaningless part exchange deals and finance offers. There was usually someone discounting them by at least 25% for hard cash.

The 500 broke that trend, at least initially, but looking around the internet now, not much has changed from ten years ago.

If you had to pay Ford/Vauxhall/Renault money for an equivalent Fiat, most folks bought the Ford/Vauxhall/Renault - the discounts were the only way Fiat could stay in the UK market.

Leaving the 500 aside, the only difference today is the real competition probably comes from Kia/Hyundai/Suzuki and Fiat will have to undercut those prices if they want a significant market share. The 500 lives on in its own bubble, as folks are still seemingly prepared to pay the premium for looks and fashion.
 
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jrkitching said:
It might have been £8k list, but in the day you could buy them for about £5500. At that price, it was a reasonable deal. £8k would have bought you a better car then.

Fiat have a long standing history of setting high list prices to give dealers room to offer seemingly attractive but meaningless part exchange deals and finance offers. There was usually someone discounting them by at least 25% for hard cash.

The 500 broke that trend, at least initially, but looking around the internet now, not much has changed from ten years ago.

If you had to pay Ford/Vauxhall/Renault money for an equivalent Fiat, most folks bought the Ford/Vauxhall/Renault - the discounts were the only way Fiat could stay in the UK market.

Leaving the 500 aside, the only difference today is the real competition probably comes from Kia/Hyundai/Suzuki and Fiat will have to undercut those prices if they want a significant market share. The 500 lives on in its own bubble, as folks are still seemingly prepared to pay the premium for looks and fashion.
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So, in the way that say Vauxhall price a car at 8k, and the savvy buyer walks away bagging it for 7.5k .. FIATs real price is the 6995 for the POP, and when the buyer then gets it for 6500 that's the real bargain price?

The £9510 is just a facade in the buyers mentality that the car 'must' be a high class or initially better than other, lower cost city cars to pull them in, then once they realise wow I'm getting a 9.5k car for just under 7k (cheaper than Vauxhall/Fords 8k) that's when they go for the Panda and FIAT wins?!

I guess it must be working, so damn many POPs in white around here, and also that £99 deposit / £99 per month deal
 
The basic white 1.2 Pop is dirt cheap and has been for a long old while.

To give you an example, my local dealer is currently offering them for £6,995 cash or £115 deposit + 47 x £115 + £2,480 balloon payment (total payable £7,921 with APR of 5.4% rep). Apparently they also offer loyalty discounts for anyone with a Fiat. But all academic as I personally have no intention of ever using them in future!:cool::D

Another option is to go via the Fiat Privilege scheme. Various ways to become eligible for this, as shown in this thread here:
https://www.fiatforum.com/panda-iii/418796-cross-best-deals-cash-finance.html

A possible route is to get British Cycling membership:
https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/membership/article/mem-fiat
 
SB1500 said:
So, in the way that say Vauxhall price a car at 8k, and the savvy buyer walks away bagging it for 7.5k .. FIATs real price is the 6995 for the POP, and when the buyer then gets it for 6500 that's the real bargain price?

The £9510 is just a facade in the buyers mentality that the car 'must' be a high class or initially better than other, lower cost city cars to pull them in, then once they realise wow I'm getting a 9.5k car for just under 7k (cheaper than Vauxhall/Fords 8k) that's when they go for the Panda and FIAT wins?!
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You're catching on ;).

Another reason for keeping list prices high is to boost residuals on near-new cars. I've seen 18month old Pandas on the forecourt for more than the discounting dealers are selling them new.

All this will stand you in good stead when your time comes to buy a new car.
 
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