General Panda Gearbox

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General Panda Gearbox

Okay, to keep this thread active - it's Easter this weekend, it's going to be lovely weather, so I really don't have any excuse, do I?

Steve the elder statesman

Tries to drive a Panda 1000CL [:0] but still has a sense of humour!

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Thanks John - I did make a start. Everything has now been disconnected prior to supporting the engine and actually dropping the gearbox.

A bit silly and premature, but I did fit the 5-speed gear lever into the car to give me a little bit of encouragement and a taste of things to come. I've cleaned all the gunge off the lever and gaiter and after a polish :) it looks rather nice :p

BTW, the car is standing on gravel so it's extremely uncomfortable to say the least ...

Jobs to come:

Press-ganging an assistant (one who is sympathetic to fixing old bangers so that rules out my father in law)

Dropping the gearbox

Fitting the new clutch

Taking off the bits that the scrappie left on the replacement gearbox

Fitting the replacement gearbox

Looking for the bits and pieces I removed earlier

Putting it all back together again

Praying as I start the engine and lift the clutch pedal ...

er,

that's it

Steve the elder statesman

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Still got the finishing touches to apply then :p

FWIW I find _really_ big carboard boxes ( ex supermarket) flattened, make a reasonable surface to lie on. They keep spilt oil off the ground, and throw away easily afterwards.

Old carpet is nicer, though :D
 
I did have a proper creeper but somebody nicked it out of my garage a couple of years ago ;) and you were right about the weather!! It's bloody cold here in Nottingham ...

And an assistant: a while ago one or two of my neighbours did say "give us a shout when you're ready" but seem to be "busy" at the moment. Typical.

Needless to say nothing got done today. Next chance will be Monday as we're having a family get-together tomorrow (Sunday). Now there's a thought. Penny's uncle is sympathetic to old bangers, isn't he? And I just happen to have a spare set of overalls ...

Somehow I will not be popular with Penny's mum and dad if I was to do that ;)

Steve the elder statesman

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How did it go. Steve?

Oh, one BTW, if it's not done yet..

You might find it's worth using the "tripod joints" off the driveshafts which came with the "newer" gearbox ( ISTR they were chopped by the scrapper), on your existing driveshafts. ( a circlip is all that holds them on ).
These joints have the same wear and use as the gearbox: they belong together :)
 
Thanks John.

You were right - the driveshafts were chopped in half. So I have the tripod joints and what looks like a nearly new pair of gaiters :)

A neighbour is lending me a hoist to support the engine and will be helping me on Thursday to do the business. Woo Hoo!!! :):)

Steve the elder statesman

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Careful with the gaiters:
there are several different ones, which aren't _all
_ compatible [V]

But use the "newer" ones if they're in better nick.

ISTR you'll need some fairly hefty "tie-wraps" to seal/secure then, if you change them.. 2 per side.

Best of luck with it.

John H
 
Thanks John.

The tie-wraps I have already. They're white unfortunately but who cares? They're nearly 18 inches long and 1/4 inch wide so should be ideal for the job.

The gaiters _look_ identical to the ones on mine, but the near-side one on mine was replaced about 3 years ago so that will be in better nick than either of them!!


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Guess what?

I now have an 1989 Fiat Panda 1000CL with 5-speed gearbox! :) YAY!!

Work to make it road legal:

New front discs (or possibly sand off 11 months accumulated rust)
Free off seized calipers
Replace off-side balljoint rubber boots
Two new tyres
The dreaded MOT Test
Finally tax the damn thing

Lack of money stops me from finishing it off unfortunately ;)

Steve

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Well done Steve :)

I really wondered if you'd ever do it [}:)]

While you were on hols. I posted about a "going to be scrapped soon" Panda which turned out to be in Nottingham...

There might just be some of the bits you're after. But I'd guess you're still looking at 100 to 200 notes to get over that last hurdle with yours, depending on how much tax you buy, and how you source the bits.

One final aside - how bad a job was it?
My CLX has a tired gearbox ;) and I suspect it will have had enough this summer when my youngest has learnt to drive in it :I
 
Steve, well done fella - knew you'd get there eventually! Should be able to fix the rest for £100 or so, in time for the National Fiats day, June 8th?

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Thanks both of you!!

I'll have to wait until pay day, which isn't until May 23rd ;) but a lot I can do anyway!

But never mind - I'm getting fit cycling to work and back (16 miles total) ...

Steve
 
Well done Steve! :)

Knew you'd get there eventually!

When my 'box was replaced, I allowed the garage to do it B) and it was all paid for by those nice people at the student loans company [xx(]

Paul
 
Donz is speechless, who can we take the **** out of now??

well done m8, i'll need to think of something else to remeber you by now, no longer 'the bloke with the panda that has yet to fix his gearbox'

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Donz: No doubt you'll think of something. Try www.yensen.co.uk and see what comes up ... :D

John H: Amazingly it wasn't such a bad job. Dropping the old gearbox was easy with an assistant supporting it with a trolley jack as suggested by both the Haynes and Porter manuals.

When it came to fitting the replacement my helper was nowhere to be seen. I didn't want the new clutch to get rusty so the 'box had to go on that day with or without an assistant. With the help of a length of scaffolding, two metal bars and lots of blue rope I managed to improvise a makeshift hoist so I could raise the 'box bit by bit until I could swing it over enough to engage the shaft and bolt it on.

Afterwards I returned the scaffolding to the building site I ... erm ... borrowed it from :) and hope they don't notice the holes drilled in it at one end!

Fitting the clutch wasn't too bad either, using the drive shaft from the old gearbox as a clutch alighment tool, suggested by fixitagaintomorrow I think. Thanks Pete. It worked perfectly.

When I get an opportunity I'll post pictures of exactly how badly damaged the old gearbox is!

Now to get my baby road legal. I've freed off the calipers so that is no longer a problem. A friend of mine owes me a favour so he'll give the discs a very light skim to remove the rust, as they are still thick enough for further service.

The damaged balljoint rubber boots on the off-side were the result of a clumsy attempt to split them using a fork type balljoint splitter and a hammer. Since then I've invested in the proper scissor type balljoint splitters and the nearside ones were relatively easy. I needed to do this to get the driveshaft tripod joints out of the gearbox.

The manuals say that if the boots are damaged then the whole balljoint should be replaced ... an expensive business!!

Any ideas anyone [?][?]

Steve
 
Steve,
If the old balljoint still feels fairly tight to move by finger pressure, it's probably ok to stay in. If it flops about all over, it's shot. Would have thought you could get a balljoint for £10 - £15? - I'm doubtful you could buy a boot on it's own.

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