Did they balance them on the back of the wheels? On my X1/9 wheels they did that, the balance weights in the middle of the wheel caught on the wedges for the calipers.

Take it back - they need to rebalance them with the weights away from the middle of the wheel.

The fact it doesn't change with lock supports this, too.

thooms said:

Did they balance them on the back of the wheels? On my X1/9 wheels they did that, the balance weights in the middle of the wheel caught on the wedges for the calipers.

Take it back - they need to rebalance them with the weights away from the middle of the wheel.

The fact it doesn't change with lock supports this, too.

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Yes the wheel weights are on the rear of the alloy, the clip on-y type.

Didge3 said:

Yes the wheel weights are on the rear of the alloy, the clip on-y type.

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Surely shouldn't be using clip-on weights with alloy wheels, should be stick-on ones. On the rear of the wheel may be necessary to balance properly, quite normal.

portland_bill said:

Surely shouldn't be using clip-on weights with alloy wheels, should be stick-on ones. On the rear of the wheel may be necessary to balance properly, quite normal.

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I thought that too (the stick on bit), but they look like the clip on ones... I'm going to check properly on my day off (Tuesday)

Normally the wheels will be dynamically balanced with weights in two of several possible locations. On mine there were stick on ones in the middle of the rim that were fouling the brakes.

Yep, when I originally fitted the Palio wheels they were balanced with stick on weights in the centre of the wheel and they fouled the caliper, so I took them back and had them swapped for clip on's.

Where do you guys jack the front up from? I've always used that little bit just behind the front bumper, it seems solid but I'm pretty sure its not the correct point. I don't like to use any point along the sill as they're looking a bit crusty now.
I'm trying to diagnose for sure my scrapy noise but I can't get the front wheels off the ground without worrying I'm going to bend something. Rear is fine, I use the suspension arm thing.

Didge3 said:

Where do you guys jack the front up from? I've always used that little bit just behind the front bumper, it seems solid but I'm pretty sure its not the correct point. I don't like to use any point along the sill as they're looking a bit crusty now.
I'm trying to diagnose for sure my scrapy noise but I can't get the front wheels off the ground without worrying I'm going to bend something. Rear is fine, I use the suspension arm thing.

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Yes the bit behind the front bumper is the right place if you want to lift the front wheels together, or the jacking points on the centre crossmember to lift either side both wheels at once. If in doubt, look for the square hole designed for the end of the standard jack, they can't just lift anywhere they have to slot into a hole to locate themselves so any point specifically designed for jacking has that hole.

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Yes the bit behind the front bumper is the right place if you want to lift the front wheels together, or the jacking points on the centre crossmember to lift either side both wheels at once. If in doubt, look for the square hole designed for the end of the standard jack, they can't just lift anywhere they have to slot into a hole to locate themselves so any point specifically designed for jacking has that hole.

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Good to know I've been doing it right. Although I couldn't manage to get the front wheels off the ground using my new jack today
Suspension just hangs keeping the wheels on the ground but the actual space under the car seems huge, I swear this wasn't a problem before

Didge3 said:

Good to know I've been doing it right. Although I couldn't manage to get the front wheels off the ground using my new jack today
Suspension just hangs keeping the wheels on the ground but the actual space under the car seems huge, I swear this wasn't a problem before

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Just keep going until it lifts the wheels clear. What sort of jack are you using?

If your sills are looking abit rusty, get them cleaned up and undersealed, the whole underside would probably benefit from it, especially since you will be using the car through the winter.

Didge3 said:

Good to know I've been doing it right. Although I couldn't manage to get the front wheels off the ground using my new jack today
Suspension just hangs keeping the wheels on the ground but the actual space under the car seems huge, I swear this wasn't a problem before

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I know what you mean, the jacking point at the front starts off a long way off the ground so you need a jack with a lot of lift to get it up far enough. If you have anything suitable try standing your jack on a plank or two to lift it up before you start, just make sure it's secure and stable.

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I know what you mean, the jacking point at the front starts off a long way off the ground so you need a jack with a lot of lift to get it up far enough. If you have anything suitable try standing your jack on a plank or two to lift it up before you start, just make sure it's secure and stable.

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Yea, if it's any consolation my trolley jack won't do the front of the Sisley - I have to jack it from the side to do the front wheels - one at a time obviously! I think I have a similar issue with non 4x4's too, but don't usually have to jack them up. You can get jack's with different height ranges though next time you're buying one Didge.

The jack in question is a trolley jack, I bought it because before I was using a bottle jack which I didn't like very much and it didn't ever feel very sturdy.
Can I use my trolley jack on the sill where the proper jack is supposed to slot in? I feel like if I did the slot would just fold in on itself...

Solved and fixed.
Firstly as you can see, my trolley jack will not pick the front of the car up, god knows how you jack up a 4x4?! Char' is lowered already...
Fully extended the tyres are quite firmly on the ground...


I gingerly used the side jacking point, nothing folded or bent but I wen't very slowly. Span the wheel a few times, scrape, scrape, scrape. Felt around inside, between the disc and the bit of metal behind it (dust cover?) was a chuck of wheel weight. I think the guy had tried to put stick on ones in the center and failed when spinning the wheel and probably breaking them off. So he used the clip on type, unfortunately leaving the broken one in there...

Anyway all is well that ends well
On the plus side my new tyres are much quieter than the old, much less road noise at 60mph. Anyone like Yokohama tyres?

That jack is very odd looking to me but I cant figure out why, what is the weight rating on it? (1 tonne etc) is it a low trolley jack for lowered cars?

And I have a sisley and have no problem jacking it up, but this may be because I have a 4 tonne jack that I got when the local garage was throwing it out with "fault" written on it, having used it for 3 years with no problems or leakage from it I am really pleased

I just worked out what looks odd about your jack to me, the length of the lifting arm looks short because I am used to my own one.

Anyone else any thoughts on the ease of lifting a 4x4 with a trolley jack? I am interested to see why people have a problem with it?

With the amount I jack cars I think spending money on a decent trolley jack is well worth it. Basically one where the arm is the full length of the body. I use the old version of this.

For jack the front of my panda I don't really like the front jacking point. I tend to to jack from the inside rear bush of the wishbone. Trolley jacks hook into it quite nicely.

nitro_warrior said:

With the amount I jack cars I think spending money on a decent trolley jack is well worth it. Basically one where the arm is the full length of the body. I use the old version of this.

For jack the front of my panda I don't really like the front jacking point. I tend to to jack from the inside rear bush of the wishbone. Trolley jacks hook into it quite nicely.

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Completely agree

onemanmade said:

what is the weight rating on it? (1 tonne etc) is it a low trolley jack for lowered cars?

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Weight rating is 2 tonnes. It lifts to 36cm which is plenty to get under the car but wont lift both front wheels at once...

nitro_warrior said:

With the amount I jack cars I think spending money on a decent trolley jack is well worth it. Basically one where the arm is the full length of the body.

For jack the front of my panda I don't really like the front jacking point. I tend to to jack from the inside rear bush of the wishbone. Trolley jacks hook into it quite nicely.

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All the jacks I looked at looked pretty much like mine although many had a few cm shorter lifting range (None of them are in inches so I don't know what that is in old money)

I dislike the front jacking point either, may use a wishbone too from now on then

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Weight rating is 2 tonnes. It lifts to 36cm which is plenty to get under the car but wont lift both front wheels at once...


All the jacks I looked at looked pretty much like mine although many had a few cm shorter lifting range (None of them are in inches so I don't know what that is in old money)

I dislike the front jacking point either, may use a wishbone too from now on then

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I can help you there - you know that foot ruler you have, that has 30cm marked on it? That's a foot or 12 inches - so 30cm is 12 inches. If you use that as your baseline, everything can be worked out accordingly. :idea: I seem to always have to convert between the two - if I measure in feet they want it in metres, and if I measure cm's they want feet....... :bang: