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For obvious reasons, they want to remain anonymous: as they don't want to be targeted.
Certainly not usually one for quoting forum regs but
"You may not use discussions to recommend, praise, or belittle other products or services, or any company; without first hand experience of those products or services"
..and 'obvious reasons'? not really. Most folks who have grief with ebay purchases are pretty upfront about it, and frankly getting the Police involved in stuff is probably far more likely to provoke a criminal type than mouthing off on an internet forum.
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........ However, he keeps changing the names of his profiles
ebay appears to say not.
Sorry but in the absence of anyone fronting up and saying what's actually gone on here I'm pretty uncomfortable with this thread and completely understand the sellers comments.
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Re: Beware: jedgley17 on eBay

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Sorry but in the absence of anyone fronting up and saying what's actually gone on here I'm pretty uncomfortable with this thread and completely understand the sellers comments.
I understand where you're coming from; and respect your point of view... -- but there's a lot going on in the background that I can't, at the moment divulge. I'm really sorry that this is the case... -- but it is a public forum.

I don't want to come across as someone who stirs things up: that just isn't my way (as most people would agree, I hope...). With the Panda Killer pervading this section of the Forum, I think we're all a little (to say the least) concerned that people who we see as friends -- and not just acquaintances from some corner of the Internet -- don't get ripped off, though; and I believe all of us (to one degree or another) are willing to put ourselves out there to stop this happening.

I did this because a friend on the Forum asked me to; and had been warned off (by a third party) from doing it personally. I'm sorry I can't yet go into details -- but I do promise it will all come out in the wash.

If you want to report the thread/my posts, I'm fine with that... -- and you can ask for the thread to be removed. However, you do need to know that I believe there is merit in what others have reported; and that this is a lot more substantial than people just mouthing off.
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Alix, I am yet to secure a sale for my leaf springs. To the best of my knowledge we have not had any dealings. I am quite happy to run a search for you of my ebay/paypal transactions to see if your username is there and post the results on here as a screenshot, subject to you confirming your ebay/paypal id's to me.

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I think it it probably about the time this thread was locked purely because we don't do this stuff on the Panda Forum.

For the record I bought those springs on the 25-8-2013 and paypal invoice No. 0161 was paid at 21:25hrs.
I'm not the mystery buyer and at the time took it to be a one off oversight on both parties behalf. Disappointed no messages were replied to.
Perhaps we can lock this away now.
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Unfortunately this is not in the panda section so we can't lock it. @custard
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The problem homeward is not what you believe, but the reasons that your belief is founded upon or in this case the lack of them. Supporting your various beliefs with reasons like "but there's a lot going on in the background that I can't, at the moment divulge. I'm really sorry that this is the case..." isn't going to resolve anything and to me reads like a story of a child and their imaginary friend.

I can only re-iterate what I said in earlier posts if someone has an issue with their purchase from me, then that issue needs to be expressed to me so that I can resolve it. In the absence of any such expression, I can only continue to assume that the comments are purely malicious.

I would like to thank firstcar-Y10 for taking the time to read this thread and bring some sensible and constructive views into the conversation.

With regard to Alix, that date does coincide with a period of ill health suffered by myself. I be will requesting that eBay and Paypal do provide me with records going back to that time and I will come back to you with the results as and when there available.
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With regard to Alix, that date does coincide with a period of ill health suffered by myself. I be will requesting that eBay and Paypal do provide me with records going back to that time and I will come back to you with the results as and when there available.

As you sent me the invoice I think it is just a case of typing Paypal Invoice no.0161 into your paypal account and it will come up as paid on 25-8-2013 at 21:25hrs. Works on mine.
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It's sad really that this could all have been much nicer for everyone involved on here. You could have advertised the items and taken any requests for parts on here for free ( l mean avoiding eBay and PayPal fees not giving away parts ), and built up trust that way. Instead you have come on here accusing one of our most liked and well respected forum members of lieing or having some agenda of harming your business, which I find frankly ludicrous. Then it turns out that another sale to another well liked and respected member of our forum has had a problem with a sale of an item from yourself and you are saying that you are requesting eBay and PayPal to send you records. You need only go into your PayPal archive online to see every payment to and from your account, and I believe you can filter dates too.

I'm not looking to pick a fight, but since we are the biggest group of panda owners in the UK and therefore probably your entire customer base it would have been a better idea on your part to come on here and have a nicer attitude is all. We have all been caught out by dodgy sellers on eBay, myself included, and since we are such a close knit helpful and friendly group we try to stop each other getting screwed over. I don't know if you have or havent been a dodgy seller, but you can't blame people for being cautious. Not trying to be harsh, just trying to stop you before you completely alienate your customer base, you can turn this thing around if its a misunderstanding I'm sure.
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Well it's finally time to break the silence. Hello all and especially to you Mr. Greg Davies @Greg1275...



Hi there nice to see ya, I am @homeward's imaginary friend. On the 26th of August 2013 at 13:41pm I paid you 90 for door trim plastics and a pair of filler neck pipes with locking caps and keys.

Obviously this was never received and you basically fobbed me off with excuses for two weeks before blocking me on your old ebay account and then not answering any of my messages or calls.

I feel you have had plenty of time to make this right with me especially as you've still got the parts and are advertising them accross all kinds of social media, presumably to get more money out of unfortunate, trustworthy people.

I am not prepared to believe anything you say about "ill health", I got the excuse at the time that you were "a man down at work" and "either working or sleeping" so it doesn't really ring true with me, as this time period also coinsides with Alik's sale that you owe him for aswell.

So I think you could make this right with us by either supplying the parts we paid for, or simply giving us our money back - that's all we want!

Threads like this on the forum may be destructive and out of order with the ebayer in question, but for the same reason they are keeping us from getting involved with people like yourself, I'm glad in a way that you have come on here to explain yourself as atleast we can now get both sides of the story!

Payment from 26th of August 2013 of 90, you'll find it using the "Search" process in PayPal, refund or parts please as I am owed, many thanks.
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It's sad really that this could all have been much nicer for everyone involved on here. You could have advertised the items and taken any requests for parts on here for free ( l mean avoiding eBay and PayPal fees not giving away parts ), and built up trust that way. Instead you have come on here accusing one of our most liked and well respected forum members of lieing or having some agenda of harming your business, which I find frankly ludicrous. Then it turns out that another sale to another well liked and respected member of our forum has had a problem with a sale of an item from yourself and you are saying that you are requesting eBay and PayPal to send you records. You need only go into your PayPal archive online to see every payment to and from your account, and I believe you can filter dates too.

I'm not looking to pick a fight, but since we are the biggest group of panda owners in the UK and therefore probably your entire customer base it would have been a better idea on your part to come on here and have a nicer attitude is all. We have all been caught out by dodgy sellers on eBay, myself included, and since we are such a close knit helpful and friendly group we try to stop each other getting screwed over. I don't know if you have or havent been a dodgy seller, but you can't blame people for being cautious. Not trying to be harsh, just trying to stop you before you completely alienate your customer base, you can turn this thing around if its a misunderstanding I'm sure.
@onemanmade,

All I have done within this thread is express my views based on the information available to me. As you know the other members of this forum, you are privy to more information than myself.

It has not been my intention to impugn the expressed views of any members of this forum, the problem that I faced was that @homeward was broadcasting views that I had done something wrong without saying what that something was. This left me in a position where I was unable to address these apparent issues.

All i've been trying to do is to get to the bottom of the issues in order to bring closure to both sides. Andy has now finally come out and into the open and expressed his problem, which I shall address later in this post.

I wasn't previously aware of the fiat forum until some on facebook brought this thread to my attention.

eBay like any other sales venue is less than perfect and contains a small minority of dodgy buyers and sellers, both of which I have lost out to on various occasions. I always remember my grandfathers wise words of "you win some and you loose some" and "life goes on"

@Alixcompo the problem I had with the simple invoice search was I have only sent 97 invoices numbered from 2 and 98. I then searched my all transactions view, which only went back as far as january this year. So im currently in the process of obtaining records from paypal going back further than this.

@AndyPanda4x4 Thank you for finally coming out into the open on this issue, it would have been nice if you could have done this earlier. I have run checks on my both my ebay and paypal accounts using your facebook ID of "Andy Berryman", please let me know if i've got this wrong. I've taken screen shots of the results which are posted as follows.

Regarding the issue of my previous account, I stopped using that account in around 2006 after loosing my internet access following injuries sustained from a car accident. I subsequently forgot the username and passwords, by this stage my email account had been closed due to loss of the internet account. My girlfriend set our current ebay account up in 2008.

The only records I have of dealing with an "Andy Berryman" are a friendship request, which I accepted, followed by a brief exchange of messages via facebook over fiat panda parts that I had available for sale (screenshot attached).

If Andy and my self have had any dealings through my previous email account then were now talking about things that happened 8 years ago. 8 years ago I was still running fiat pandas, so I certainly wasn't selling parts as I needed them for myself. I dont think it would be beneficial for any of us to be going back that far.

In conclusion, I hope that I have now addressed the issues, bar Alix's as im still in the process of acquiring full facts before making a decision.
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Just to start off, I'm writing this as a total neutral.

Is this thread appropriate? The reason for me asking this is a 'declared fact' was

'I don't know whether this is a single incident; or a misunderstanding'

If it is a genuine misunderstanding, then I think creating this thread and using the tag 'rogue seller' is a little on the harsh side.

However, I believe that the OP is genuinely trying to protect FF members' interests, which is to be applauded and is very nice to see.

@Greg1275, first of all I'd just like to point out that there is no screenshot of any Facebook webpage, only the eBay/Paypal ones. Also, assuming you have searched for the correct Andy, I would just search for his surname. I doubt it says Andy on his birth certificate Do you have any Paypal or eBay notifications via email that could relate to these transactions, so you could go back into 2013 as required? It might speed things up, rather than wait for an answer from Paypal.

I hope this all gets sorted out amicably.
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I'm obviously missing something here, but all you need to do is list the PayPal incoming transactions surely? As the date and time for the transactions is known, this only takes a minute & the PayPal screen print will answer the questions straight away.

I often use this to double check that I've correctly recorded all of the Pinky the Panda donations. Kind folk send small amounts to my PayPal account for Pinky & as soon as I spend money via PayPal it uses that balance - to check I need to look at the payments received (so I don't miss a 10p donation for example) I have no problem with anyone with legitimate cause seeing my PayPal receipts - I'd just blank off anything not relevant if I was worried about it.

I'm trying not to take any sides here, but I do know the people involved & am certain that they believe they have been done, from what I've read. This of course doesn't mean it's black & white, and it's good that the seller is prepared to state his case.

What happened with the complaint cases when the problem was raised with Ebay though - the last time a seller misbehaved with me & failed to respond, Ebay/PayPal were creditably quick to refund my money? The seller was pretty shocked when they took the money back!

By the way, I'm also not very comfortable with this thread, but as the Panda section is so close knit it's understandable. As a regular Panda parts buyer, I appreciate knowing when there's potentially a problem seller.
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Thank you for responding @chaos,

I did raise the issue of appropriateness with the mods when this thread was 1st started. In particular the issue of @homeward broadcasting unsubstantiated comments on behalf of a apparently on behalf of an anonymous third party. @custard responded to the complaint by suggesting that it was ok as I "had not provided any evidence".

To my mind this stance was quite clearly ridiculous when the 1st sentence of post 1 reads "I have been asked by another member of the Classic Panda section to relay the following message".

My primary concern has been the reluctance of certain members to reveal what is going on.

The missing facebook screenshot was caused by me forgetting to ad the shot to my last post, which I will remedy in this post. Thankyou for bringing this to my attention.

I would also like to thankyou for suggesting the email search idea, im slightly annoyed with myself for not thinking of it earlier. Ive run this search on my email account for the names "Berryman" & "Alexcompo" and again it showed no results, the screenshots are attached to this post.
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Thank you for responding @chaos,

I did raise the issue of appropriateness with the mods when this thread was 1st started. In particular the issue of @homeward broadcasting unsubstantiated comments on behalf of a apparently on behalf of an anonymous third party. @custard responded to the complaint by suggesting that it was ok as I "had not provided any evidence".

To my mind this stance was quite clearly ridiculous when the 1st sentence of post 1 reads "I have been asked by another member of the Classic Panda section to relay the following message".

My primary concern has been the reluctance of certain members to reveal what is going on.

The missing facebook screenshot was caused by me forgetting to ad the shot to my last post, which I will remedy in this post. Thankyou for bringing this to my attention.

I would also like to thankyou for suggesting the email search idea, im slightly annoyed with myself for not thinking of it earlier. Ive run this search on my email account for the names "Berryman" & "Alexcompo" and again it showed no results, the screenshots are attached to this post.
Now lets add context to the proposition my stance was ridiculous.
I had ascertained who the member in question was.
On this basis I decided to let the thread run.
By your reckoning I shouldn't believe 'unsubstantiated' points from a long term member,but should have believed yours.
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Thank you for responding @chaos,

I did raise the issue of appropriateness with the mods when this thread was 1st started. In particular the issue of @homeward broadcasting unsubstantiated comments on behalf of a apparently on behalf of an anonymous third party. @custard responded to the complaint by suggesting that it was ok as I "had not provided any evidence".

To my mind this stance was quite clearly ridiculous when the 1st sentence of post 1 reads "I have been asked by another member of the Classic Panda section to relay the following message".

My primary concern has been the reluctance of certain members to reveal what is going on.

The missing facebook screenshot was caused by me forgetting to ad the shot to my last post, which I will remedy in this post. Thankyou for bringing this to my attention.

I would also like to thankyou for suggesting the email search idea, im slightly annoyed with myself for not thinking of it earlier. Ive run this search on my email account for the names "Berryman" & "Alexcompo" and again it showed no results, the screenshots are attached to this post.
Go into your PayPal archive, there should be a date setting field there, you should be able to see all transactions within your selected timeframe
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So ultimately Greg I messaged you through facebook to find out whether or not you are the same person who I was dealing with before, but also to find out whether or not you were still advertising these parts that we have already paid for, which you are and posting the screenshot of our facebook dealings has shown this.

I only came accross you again when you posted on the Italian Panda group advertising the same Pandas which I recognised from last year when I paid you the money. You were advertising a set of Yugo alloys which were on your grey 4x4, and you took pictures of the white one for me when I asked about parts. I have all of our dealings saved on my PC at home, which ofcourse is now broken. But I do have the paypal details which still match up with your email address gd1275@(onlineemail).com - I am not publishing your email in full on this public forum.

I have the paypal details from my end in picture format which I can PM you, but again I am not publishing these public.

As @onemanmade says use the backdate search field in paypal to view your transactions from previous months.

I am unable to claim money back direct through ebay as the auction was suggestive of a car being broken for spares - contact for details. Paypal are unable to claim money back as I paid outside their covered medium ie. "send money to friends or family", which just shows you why it shouldn't be done - as this happens, completely my failing.
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