Im after some more advice here guys and girls, as its a tad on the windy side today and there is nothing else I can do on the other panda till my water pump and other bits turn up, I thought id look at the old engine.

Does any one have any documents, manuals ect they could send me on taking this apart? I have only done OHC before and this OHV is new to me.

A quick vid of where Im at at the moment,

Am I right in thinking the 965cc came from the A112 which in turn was an enlarged Fiat 903cc ohv?

If so, are 903cc Haynes type manuals any good for what you need? The Panda and 127 manuals show the 903cc. :idea:

I think that might be the case, specifications may differ but the core of the engine remains the same in terms of taking apart.

The rocker assembly is held on by the nuts on the posts, once they are undone you can lever/ pull off the rocker shaft. Then lift out the push rods making sure you note their order, unless you have no intention of putting this engine back together.
You can now release the cylinder head.

Timing chain cover and sump should simply unbolt too.

All this is easily achieved without a manual as it should be clear how things come undone just by looking at them.

Thanks V-Man, I had kind of guessed that so far but I wanted to be sure and I think going in to something well read is never a bad idea.

Waiting for my engine support at the moment so I can only go so far. I think the plan is to disassemble, clean, inspect, measure, the outcome will depend on just how much work the local engineering shop get off me, I can see the bottom going in for work on cylinders and the head having some work done to.

Before I chuck money at this, are these blocks hard enough to come by to demote a few £100 on a basic rebuild?

Yes, just use the haynes manual for the 903 panda (brown one covers old pandas and a little of the FIRE). It's all I've used and engine-wise not seen anything out of place yet. Just be cautious with the actual numbers associated with things (torques will be fine) but there might be things done differently points gap / valve clearances etc. tbh I have had to go with some of these numbers anyway for the 965cc engine just because no one has been so kind as to write anything up for the mk1 4x4. in fact only porter manual does anything on the 4x4 (mk2).

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fiat-Pand...es_Manuals_Litterature_ET&hash=item4178598d00

or this one:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/793-Hayne...es_Manuals_Litterature_ET&hash=item27d8e4c006

Will this one cover what I need?

goodgirl156 said:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fiat-Pand...es_Manuals_Litterature_ET&hash=item4178598d00

or this one:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/793-Hayne...es_Manuals_Litterature_ET&hash=item27d8e4c006

Will this one cover what I need?

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Hmm ok seems like they have changed their covers a bit...

Both say they cater for the 903cc engine so I guess either will be fine. I'd be tempted to go for that buy it now £1.45 though and that definitely includes 903 stuff and you'll get it quicker (although no FIRE stuff if you were hoping for this also).

This is mine (well used! ) and is brown!

I have both the blue and the green cover ones and they are the same, seems every Panda you buy comes with a manual!!

Thanks everyone, ill get it ordered. I know the panda is simple to take apart and some of the questions I ask are borderline stupid... But as a chap that spends his time working on computers, software development and testing some of this is quite foreign to me.
The only good news is for the most part most mechanical things are quite logical.

So once again thanks for the help.

AndyPanda4x4 said:

I have both the blue and the green cover ones and they are the same, seems every Panda you buy comes with a manual!!

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I have 5 Panda manuals for that very reason!

never been the case with the 3 i have

i ended up buying the blue haynes one and the porter one.. and ive not used them once :/
i only got them so i could find out what damn oil the gearbox uses.