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Old 06-05-2013   #1
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Hi All I have just joined the forum and thought I would share my joint project I have started with my brother as he has been collecting Pandas for years and thought it was about time we modified one. My brother works in Australia and we have have come to an agreement that he buys the parts and as I am a mechanic I have the task of building a race / track car.
The first task was to select which of the 2 pandas to use. One being a 1990 carbed 1 litre model or the other being a 1993 CLX. A decision was made to use the 1990 model as it never ran great due to carb problems and the engine would be sold anyway.
So initially a 1.2 16 valve engine (out of a scrapped mk1 Punto!) was lined up but we decided that the extra 10 bhp from the 1.4 16 valve Stilo engine was worth the extra money.
So the now redundant 1.2 engine will be going into the newly purchased Panda Number 3 which is another CLX (because 2 pandas is never enough! )
The plan is to strip out and lighten it as much as possible, along with fitting twin webber carbs to a custom manifold and running Emerald K6 Management to control the spark.
Purchases so far:
13 x 7 alloys
1.4 16 valve Fiat Stilo (95 BHP)
Emerald K6 ECU
PHOTOS OF THE RACE CAR TO BE
Hope you can make sense of my rambling.
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Re: Panda (race car build)

Welcome. Will the cars be raced and therefore built to an MSA spec or are we talking track and fun? A 1.4 16v Panda is quite fast, but will need some serious work on the front suspension (completely replace with wishbones or something) to feel like a racing car. 7" wide wheels will be so hard to fit; you are going to need huge arches and negative offset!

Good luck with it all.
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Welcome. Will the cars be raced and therefore built to an MSA spec or are we talking track and fun? A 1.4 16v Panda is quite fast, but will need some serious work on the front suspension (completely replace with wishbones or something) to feel like a racing car. 7" wide wheels will be so hard to fit; you are going to need huge arches and negative offset!

Good luck with it all.


Look forward to seeing your progress on this. Oh and welcome to the Forum!

Are you in Australia too or here in the UK?
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Welcome. Will the cars be raced and therefore built to an MSA spec or are we talking track and fun? A 1.4 16v Panda is quite fast, but will need some serious work on the front suspension (completely replace with wishbones or something) to feel like a racing car. 7" wide wheels will be so hard to fit; you are going to need huge arches and negative offset!
Planing to make it comply to the scottish Hillclimb and Sprint rules as there are a couple tracks close to where I stay. Also to be used at knockhill circuit for trackdays for some banter

As for the suspension plan to use bilstien shocks modified using rally design coil over conversion kit for 21/4 springs front and custom rear springs along with the bilstien rear shockers

Hopefully rose joint the front suspension but not sure exactly how yet.
As for the wheels already have 13x7 with et20 trial fitted and have millimeters between front shockers and rim but do just clear also just clear rear suspension arm no tyres as off yet but was thinking 175/50/13

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Look forward to seeing your progress on this. Oh and welcome to the Forum!

Are you in Australia too or here in the UK?
Not quite as lucky just sunny Scotland but thats where the pandas are
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Completely Mental

You'll fit right in here :P
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yay another mad panda modder! We'll have a race series soon enough

Seriously, can we start up a race series and freak out peeps at tracks like Brans Hatch? Will be watching this keenly for race prep mod tips. Rose joints sounds a little posh for a panda I like it

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this sounds very awesome.

cant wait to see it when its done.
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yay another mad panda modder! We'll have a race series soon enough

Seriously, can we start up a race series and freak out peeps at tracks like Brans Hatch? Will be watching this keenly for race prep mod tips. Rose joints sounds a little posh for a panda I like it
Yeah think you have to be mad to modify a panda

As for the race series that sounds awesome as long its not like the xr2 race series at knockhill or else we would end up with the pandas becoming extinct

Here are a few photos with the 13" wheels trial fitted , also found some wide arches my old man had from his mk1 fiesta back in the day they could be made to fit well

What do you think ???????
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Will certainly look the part with them on there.

Pandas only just fit that ramp by the look of it!
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Your right VmanC it does just fit pandas are a bit on the narrow side

More goodies arrived today from my brother who spends to much time on ebay and buys things not really needed hence the following pictures of 13x8 alloys (Must admit they do look better)

Also a new race alternator arrived which will need custom brackets but only ways 2.7kg the picture shows it compared to the original as the build goes on you will reliase that Im a bit obsessed with wieght saving and hope to get the car down to 650kg with cage.

The manifold pictured is a vauxhall red top that was lying around I plan on cutting up and making my own 4 branch out of it. The machine shop is making a new flange to weld it to as we speak
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You can convert the 16V head to run with a Vauxhall (spit that out) Nova distributor. I found this gem out after I took my engine apart. A couple of trumpets or a bank of bike carb's and she'd take off. Have a look at Guff II if you want. I'm sticking to standard arches and Punto GT brakes but eventually there will be an interesting engine in there.
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Wow, looking like a sweet project already. Those wheels are amazing but surely going to be too wide though? There was another race panda built by "team pandamonium" that had some wide'ish wheels on and I think it suffered a bit on the straights because of it. It was also punto 1,2 I think. Although that might not be fair, it was racing up against my dads mk1 scirocco (which was a blue printed 1,6litre). So the scirocco had a power advantage but was much heavier as my dad insists on racing his car with all interior still fitted. Oh and also driving to the track of course

You thinking of keeping it road legal or you going the full hog?

Here are some photo's of them at brans ages ago when I was still taking pictures on some sort of photo-reactive chemical film device :

Quite cool that they were next to each other on the grid, made my day completely!...


We even had adjacent pit garages...even more amazing had pit garages in the first place. Only club racing but apparently they were just not being used on the day...


Sorry I don't have any better pics of the team pandamonium car I did have a glance FF but I'm terrible with searches it seems.

Anyway, will be keeping at least one of my beady eyes on this thread

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Yeah your right they probably a bit wide and hamper the handling but would like to make them work as they fill the arches nicely

The car will be fully road legal as I think you lose the feel of the car if it is a track only car don't get me wrong it won't be a daily driver .Maybe used the week before a race/trackday to get a feel of the car again or to try out any mods

Those pictures are awesome I'm sure I had a old Car and Car Conversions (CCC) book which used to have a feature on that Panda but I can't find it anywhere
I've also tryed searching for info on that Panda but can't seem to find any pictures or more info on it

Right I've got a question for the technical panda guru's
I've only found a FIA approved rollcage for the Panda 4x4 are the floor pans the same on the 2 and 4 wheel drive Panda's ???
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Hi welcome to the Forum!

The project looks a wicked job I'm looking forward to seeing your progress

P.S I can't really advise you on the previous question!
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Hi, and very welcome
Really looking forward to see how panda can "fly".
Meanwhile some more inspiration, ideally not the best shot angle, but the rims width seems to be close to what you've got.
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