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Old 11-05-2013   #16
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Re: Panda (race car build)

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Your right VmanC it does just fit pandas are a bit on the narrow side

More goodies arrived today from my brother who spends to much time on ebay and buys things not really needed hence the following pictures of 13x8 alloys (Must admit they do look better)

Also a new race alternator arrived which will need custom brackets but only ways 2.7kg the picture shows it compared to the original as the build goes on you will reliase that Im a bit obsessed with wieght saving and hope to get the car down to 650kg with cage.

The manifold pictured is a vauxhall red top that was lying around I plan on cutting up and making my own 4 branch out of it. The machine shop is making a new flange to weld it to as we speak
Aye mike, less o the ebay digs as you have to admit they were worth every penny!

If I worked out correctly they should have more clearance from the inside lip to the strut (front wheels) and rear suspension arms (rear wheels) having an ET0 compared to the ET25 on the 7" Wide wheels! Was I right?

I'm finished with the Soda blaster here so will take it back with me so you can blast the engine before painting the block etc. Shouldn't need to paint the head!

Just away to print off the emerald wiring diagram and work out what military connectors I will need for the ecu wiring etc so will give you a phone later to discuss, e.g. using the original coil packs etc?

So when I come back on holiday I can get the loom sorted before leaving again!

Build threads looking good!
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Also not sure if anyone has noticed the first photos you have posted but yes the picture of the bonnet is from fire damage and yes there is a story behind this!

The story is that I was using this panda for my daily commute to work (always put a smile on my face) and had left it at my fathers garage (where all the work mike is carrying out on the vehicle now) for a couple of days due to driving my other car.
I then went in to collect it on the Friday morning to drive to work again and started it to allow it to warm up and as usual me and mike started chatting.

Then after a few minutes chatting I went out to go to work where I then saw what looked like to be steam coming out from under the bonnet, after a few choice swear words I began to walk over to the panda to switch it off and at that point we both saw a little flame pop out from the heater intake vent.

This caused both of us to start swearing and mike to drop his coffee whilst i ran over to the car to turn it off mike ran inside the garage to get a fire extinguisher!

After blasting in through the front grill and the bonnet heater intake vent, we opened the bonnet and finally finished extinguishing the fire! After all the excitement we then realized that we could look at the CCTV and see how long the car was on fire! Upon looking back at the CCTV the total time from first smoke to us extinguishing the fire was a grand total of less than 1min!

Scary isn't it, as if I had been on my way to work and the panda had caught fire then i would have had no access to a fire extinguisher and the car would have definitely ended up being a burnt out shell!

Amazingly the only damage to the car was the fire damage to the bonnet and the inlet air filter housing melting a bit!
Even more amazingly we replaced the fuel line from the pump to the carb and I then drove it to work!

Just thought I would give you all a bit of history behind the car!
I also bought it off of ebay a few years ago from a guy in Essex (where it was sitting in his back yard) for the pricey sum off 256!
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Old 11-05-2013   #18
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Yeah your right they probably a bit wide and hamper the handling but would like to make them work as they fill the arches nicely

The car will be fully road legal as I think you lose the feel of the car if it is a track only car don't get me wrong it won't be a daily driver .Maybe used the week before a race/trackday to get a feel of the car again or to try out any mods

Those pictures are awesome I'm sure I had a old Car and Car Conversions (CCC) book which used to have a feature on that Panda but I can't find it anywhere
I've also tryed searching for info on that Panda but can't seem to find any pictures or more info on it

Right I've got a question for the technical panda guru's
I've only found a FIA approved rollcage for the Panda 4x4 are the floor pans the same on the 2 and 4 wheel drive Panda's ???
No way!! You found an FIA roll cage!! Damn it, I could only find an MSA one and now my car is limited to sprints and hillclimbs! Unfortunately might not be able to fit the one designed for the 4x4 to your 2wd as the rules of mountings are that the backstays must fit above a suspension mount (one of the reason my MSA approved one isnt FIA approved I think. And the 4x4 suspension pick-ups are in different places on the rear. Otherwise the internal floorpan is no different I don't think.

Annoyingly I have race prepared my Marbella and that has the same suspension design as the 4x4 so I could have totally used it!

Check the rules in the blue book though but think this is the case.

Here is how my rear backstays mount:


not much strength on this arch as the suspension mounts are towards the back corner (where the shackles hang from on leaf springs)


But if you can't use the 4x4 one, there is always the option of custom. How's your welding?

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Cheers for all the encouraging coments kolza, andypanda4x4

Pandamonius_maximus cheers for the pics much appreciated I'm assuming your cage is an omp ? The cage Im looking at is a Sparco as the omp has the double bend to clear the dashboard as the sparco I believe doesn't and needs the dash cut or removed

As for the welding could make a cage but only have a die to bend 40mm tube and would make the cage quite heavy as can only afford the cds tubing not the lighter t45 but may come down to that as the sparco cage is 600 waiting to hear back if it is fia approved

Can anyone confirm the floor pans are the same ??????
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Cheers for all the encouraging coments kolza, andypanda4x4

Pandamonius_maximus cheers for the pics much appreciated I'm assuming your cage is an omp ? The cage Im looking at is a Sparco as the omp has the double bend to clear the dashboard as the sparco I believe doesn't and needs the dash cut or removed

As for the welding could make a cage but only have a die to bend 40mm tube and would make the cage quite heavy as can only afford the cds tubing not the lighter t45 but may come down to that as the sparco cage is 600 waiting to hear back if it is fia approved

Can anyone confirm the floor pans are the same ??????
Yes OMP, I could only find one place selling one at the time which was Demon-Tweeks, and not sure they sell it anymore either. The rules got changed as well and now you cannot have any bolted joints, so that is another thing wrong with my cage for the FIA

Where have you found the sparco cage out of curiosity? I have a 4x4 that may get a cage at some point and also might consider it for the Marbella if the car does well enough at sprints etc.

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Where have you found the sparco cage out of curiosity? I have a 4x4 that may get a cage at some point and also might consider it for the Marbella if the car does well enough at sprints etc.
www.roadandracegear.com

Very helpfull on the phone too
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Floorpans are pretty much the same from inside the car but different underneath, as PM says, suspension mounts are different.
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Just a small update as have been busy at work not had much time for much Panda modifying

But managed to work out a way of mounting the race alternator using a alloy spacer with the original mounting bolt and location (nice and light)
As for the top mount after much thought as how to incorporate belt adjustment without any slotted brackets decided a left hand m8 rose joint and a right handed m8 rose joint with misalignment spacers
Which allows on car adjustment by simply spinning the center collar then locking off simples

Also keeps everything nice and light ended up that a 4pk670 belt was the right size although it is designed for a 5pk shouldn,t cause any problems

The last picture shows the flanges and alloy pipe for the inlet manifold fabrication just waiting for flanges to cylinder head should be here end of next week
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UPDATE

Been quite busy trying to organise parts to make the inlet manifold for the twin webers. Sent the inlet manifold gasket away for a template for my old mans friend to make up a autocad program for the water jet company to use .

Anyway now have inlet and exhaust flanges ready to let the fun begin
Have been concentrating on the the inlet manifold first using 38mm alloy pipe mocked up the weber flanges using steel plate in the picture to hold them at the correct spacing and hopefully double as a heat sink for when it gets tig welded

Also managed to find time to de-grease and soda blast the gearbox then etch prime and paint (probably wasting my time as it may just blow up but atleast it looks good)

De-greased and painted the engine block in good old massey ferguson grey Sent all the gearbox brackets and covers to the powder coaters in preperation for engine fitment next on the to do list is new t/belt and waterpump then installing the engine and box to allow correct angle for the inlet manifold to be finalised and then tig welded
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Liking your work here Mike. Taking notes for when I eventually get around to building the y10 track car
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Very nice work, how it should be done.
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awesome project you have here - i will be lurking, watching
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Cheers guys for all the positive comments (Helps with the motivation)

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Sounds awesome always wanted a y10 and a y10 track car would be even better
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More progress made as have had a bit more spare time recently

Fitted new timing belt and water pump for piece of mind when its flat oot round knockhill

Painted/powder coated all gearbox brackets and linkages also fitted an10 fittings into oil pump blanks in preperation for oil cooler which will be plumbed up threw a thermostatic valve which should keep oil temps cool for trackdays/circuit racing

Also spent a few hours with a grinder disecting the old vauxhall exhaust manifold now just have to put the jigsaw together using the new fiat flange , 2" v band clamp , 2" stainless flexi and the two extra bends hopefully should result in a 4 branch manifold (would have been easier to buy one but I do like a challenge)

Last photo shows new adjustable rose jointed gearbox linkage which should help to work out how to reduce the throw in the gearlever to make a quick shift
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Looking great. Knockhill won't know what's hit it

I have only been round it once in a Leon Cupra R but would love to get back round again. Just need to pull my finger out then
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