Ok Dave (Pandamaniac) this one's for you.

Dave asked me about Bilt Hamber products, how I use them and in what order, so I'll use these Panda bumper brackets as an example.



This is how they came off of the project Panda looking Panda, nice and straight but with some surface rust.

The first thing I do is soak them for at least 24 hours in a bath of BH's Deox C.

They then need to be rinsed with fresh water while scrubbing lightly with a brush. I use a washing up brush, this gets rid of the excess black residue that's on them. There should still be a black/grey residue left coating the part which stops it rusting again for a while.

Once I'm ready to paint I will then wire brush the remaining black/grey coating off. In the pic below the bracket on the right is just washed off, the one on the left has been wire brushed also.......



All rust will have disappeared like magic, but hopefully there is still enough of the component left to warrant it's continued use.

This is as far as I have pictures so will take some of the next stage and post tomorrow.

Wow, shiny metal from rust. Clearly witchcraft:devil:

thats good have you got a tank big enough to soak a 1981 fiat 126?

Anyone else thinking it could be easier to dip the whole car in the stuff instead of cut, grind, weld, flap, fill, sand, fill, sand, prime, fill, sand, prime with dots, sand, prime and paint?

It doesn't change rust into good metal it dissolves it away, so if you could submerge a 126 in the stuff you'd only get an 86 out.

They do produce it in gel form so that you can apply it to parts that can't be submerged.

Deox Gell



What you going to do now coat with hydrate 80?

Andy Monty said:

Deox Gell



What you going to do now coat with hydrate 80?

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Ah! Another fan.

Yep, will post pics this evening.

hmm wonder if i could submerge a whole rim in the stuff... wonder if it would work out cheaper..

Impressive stuff. Any preferred (online or b&m) suppliers for Bilt Hamber products?

Nobody seems to do prices any better than BH themselves so I always go direct. I try to build up a good order first as postage is free over £60, I think

You should become a stockist! Not too far from me either ;-)

firecolour said:

Impressive stuff. Any preferred (online or b&m) suppliers for Bilt Hamber products?

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As above

their car care stuff is also second to none......




Just a short list of what i have used and will in all honesty recommend ive yet to find a bad product!...

Surfex (one of the best water based degreasers / all pourpose cleaners ive come across) ideal for engine bays

Auto foam great pre wash (need a foam lance and pressure washer)

Auto wash (car shampoo)

Hydra wax / finis wax / auto balm (car waxes)

clay bars (soft / medium and hard) Prefer soft or medium

Ferrisol (might as well bin every other wonder release oil spray you have ever bought this stuff is as close as you can come to a Gas axe in a can for rusted nuts and bolts)

Hydrate 80 (rust converter)

Deox gell or Deox C (rust removers)


Oh and the under body wax collection of cavity wax and under body stuff

:worship:

I've done some experiments of my own in this area...

A caustic soda bath strips off any remaining paint and cleans oil off...


then drop it in a vat of "orange squash" and leave it for a week or 2 lol...


I fully admit that the proper chemical would have been better/faster but I was curious to see if it could be done after someone putting a video on the internets somewhere (they used vinegar instead but this is more expensive per litre than orange squash - double concetrate of course).

only thing is you do need to paint it soon after the treatment as they get surface rust back quite quickly!

Cheers,
Si

Andy Monty said:

As above

their car care stuff is also second to none......




Just a short list of what i have used and will in all honesty recommend ive yet to find a bad product!...

Surfex (one of the best water based degreasers / all pourpose cleaners ive come across) ideal for engine bays

Auto foam great pre wash (need a foam lance and pressure washer)

Auto wash (car shampoo)

Hydra wax / finis wax / auto balm (car waxes)

clay bars (soft / medium and hard) Prefer soft or medium

Ferrisol (might as well bin every other wonder release oil spray you have ever bought this stuff is as close as you can come to a Gas axe in a can for rusted nuts and bolts)

Hydrate 80 (rust converter)

Deox gell or Deox C (rust removers)


Oh and the under body wax collection of cavity wax and under body stuff

:worship:

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I rest my case.

Here's today's pics, following on from the last ones the first shows BH's Hydrate 80 newly applied..........



It's a pale blue milky liquid when first applied, just brushed on, but after about half an hour it dries to a black colour. A second coat is then applied at 90 deg to the first, you will then end up with this........



They are now ready for a top coat, in this case I've painted the brackets in chassis black........



You can just see the pitting where the rust used to be, if the component needed a better finish you could fill them or apply filler primer before the top coat and sand it smooth, in this case they're fine as they are because Gavin is paying for my time and would not be happy spending more than is necessary.

firecolour said:

You should become a stockist! Not too far from me either ;-)

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I have an order going in very soon if you want to add anything to it.

Vern.
Many thanks for the info on rust removal and Bilt Hamber products, it looks like good stuff.

Have you tried making a rust removal bath yourself.?
Plastic barrel filled with water and soda crystals
Battery with + and - wires each attached to a steel plate which you hang from a spar across the barrel so the bars are in the water.
Put parts in so they don't touch the plates and connect battery.
It then bubbles away nicely and the rust gets attracted to the metal plates and leave your part rust free.
Dave

Andy Monty said:

...their car care stuff is also second to none... ive yet to find a bad product!...

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The guys with classics that I know swear by BH!

NB: That's "Bilt-Hamber"; not "Bl**dy H*ll"...

pandamaniac said:

Vern.
Many thanks for the info on rust removal and Bilt Hamber products, it looks like good stuff.

Have you tried making a rust removal bath yourself.?
Plastic barrel filled with water and soda crystals
Battery with + and - wires each attached to a steel plate which you hang from a spar across the barrel so the bars are in the water.
Put parts in so they don't touch the plates and connect battery.
It then bubbles away nicely and the rust gets attracted to the metal plates and leave your part rust free.
Dave

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All sounds very clever Dave, probably why I've never done it.

whats wrong with just zipp wheeling it off and using kurust and then painting it?

i made a new one, just found the photo.