Hi not been on here for ages normaly on fiat Scotland. I have a k reg fiat panda 750 mania. I want to upgrade the brakes eg fit a servo. On breaking my cinq and have got the calipers carriers, servo master cylinder pedal box and linkages. Does any one know if the cinq servo will fit my panda or have any experience of the best way to up grade the brakes. After that going to go for cinq to panda engine swap. Thanks in advance for any help or ideas.
Technical panda brakes
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Cinquecento brakes are on the other side of the bulkhead if your 750 is the same as mine. They use remote arms that span across the interior of the car.
It is possible, would involve a great deal of faffing about and ultimately apart from a softer pedal won't make a great deal of difference as the cylinder capacities are virtually the same. I prefer the feedback from a non-assisted brake cylinder myself.
You can upgrade the stock set up with the usual drilled and/or grooved discs and uprated pads.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190641823089?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
It is possible, would involve a great deal of faffing about and ultimately apart from a softer pedal won't make a great deal of difference as the cylinder capacities are virtually the same. I prefer the feedback from a non-assisted brake cylinder myself.
You can upgrade the stock set up with the usual drilled and/or grooved discs and uprated pads.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190641823089?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
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Later Pandas had the same setup, I really can't see it being worth the bother, the standard brakes should be more then adequate, maybe make sure the current system is up to scratch first?
:yeahthat: cost in insurance premium might be worth considering first also!
am i correct in thinking that the pedal box is different from non servo with servo, only recall this when i tried to upgrade the onyx from nonservo to servo and had to use the donor pedal box with remote arm linkage.
only a thought ??
kevin
only a thought ??
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On their own drilled and grooved discs will wear your pads out quicker. With an uprated set of pads the increased surface area and friction face should give better brake performance.
If you want to go mental though I still have a complete set of Punto GT brakes in my shed.
Thats good advice, I rebuilt my calipers, fitted new disks and pads and the improvement was dramatic.
I would add new set of front brake flexi hoses to the part list as above, if they are still the original ones they can absorb lots of braking preasure as well.
braided hoses are great, had then on me bandit 600 and my fiat 125, big difference as the hose cant expand under pressure hence more gumff at the pad...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fiat-Panda-2wd-82-on-Goodridge-Braided-Brake-Hoses-/250829437169
pricey but hey, how much would it cost to repair your panda with brake failure
kevin
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fiat-Panda-2wd-82-on-Goodridge-Braided-Brake-Hoses-/250829437169
pricey but hey, how much would it cost to repair your panda with brake failure
kevin
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Technical warning!!!
Brakes convert kinetic energy in to heat energy. If the braking surface is too small they will overheat. Also, if they cannot lose the heat quickly enough they will overheat. Once a braking system overheats you will get brake fade which is a loss of braking efficiency.
To improve the braking system on any car you need to improve any or all of these areas.
Vented, drilled, grooved discs are all methods of dissipating the heat more effectively, but they only become useful once the limits of a standard system have been reached. If you don't plan to reach those limits they are a waste of money.
I tend to agree with those that recommend ensuring the standard system is 100% as a starting point, the braided hoses will help with this.
Starting with the non servo system allows you two upgrades from other Pandas...
1. Fit the servo system from a 4x4, clx etc.
2. Fit the system from a Selecta, if you can find one. Because the later Selecta's had the 1108cc engine and of course, no engine braking, they had the best braking system of any standard Panda. This was achieved by larger front discs, calipers and pads and larger rear wheel cyls. You must use the master cyl. and servo too as they supply more brake fluid to these larger items.
I did warn you.
Brakes convert kinetic energy in to heat energy. If the braking surface is too small they will overheat. Also, if they cannot lose the heat quickly enough they will overheat. Once a braking system overheats you will get brake fade which is a loss of braking efficiency.
To improve the braking system on any car you need to improve any or all of these areas.
Vented, drilled, grooved discs are all methods of dissipating the heat more effectively, but they only become useful once the limits of a standard system have been reached. If you don't plan to reach those limits they are a waste of money.
I tend to agree with those that recommend ensuring the standard system is 100% as a starting point, the braided hoses will help with this.
Starting with the non servo system allows you two upgrades from other Pandas...
1. Fit the servo system from a 4x4, clx etc.
2. Fit the system from a Selecta, if you can find one. Because the later Selecta's had the 1108cc engine and of course, no engine braking, they had the best braking system of any standard Panda. This was achieved by larger front discs, calipers and pads and larger rear wheel cyls. You must use the master cyl. and servo too as they supply more brake fluid to these larger items.
I did warn you.
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Thanks think I will go with the makeing sure the current system is in a1 condition change the fluid to 5.1 maybe fit braided hoses. Next up is to take the 1242 block I had put in the cinq and put it in the panda though going to change the head so I can run a carb and not bother with the spi and ecu
