Notice the tensioner/adjuster and the idler(bearing), both are to be replaced.


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There are a lot of belts, tensioners and bearings on the 1,6-16V FIAT engine I'm afraid.....!!
4 belts ( if equipped with A/C) and two adjusters/tensioners and one idler/bearing....all needs regular replacing....!!

(Btw, we are going to have our Valentine's diner this evening in an Indian restaurant ( www.moghul.nl) overhere, how about that...!!)

Hi Peter
Seems a little confusing to me now. Thought it would be simple
Anyways will try to understand tomorrow early morning after a proper sleep

I am sure you will like the Indian food. I dont eat so much of non-veg so cant recommend you but generally the chicken with indian gravy is good

Well, it's not that complicated....!!

(BTW, we are vegetarians, that's why we like the Indian kitchen a lot.., no chicken for us..!!).

Peter Pick-Up said:

Well, it's not that complicated....!!

(BTW, we are vegetarians, that's why we like the Indian kitchen a lot.., no chicken for us..!!).

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Okay, then try the DAAL TADKA with Jeera Rice and PANEER TIKKA MASALA with some ROTI (MISSI OR RUMALI ROTI)

Not sure if all this is on the menu

Hi Peter
The following thread from the forum also recommends to change also the Water pump along with cam belt. Also all axillary belts (i assume they are the other belts which you have mentioned) and all tensioners and bearings

https://www.fiatforum.com/coupe/43380-when-change-cam-belt.html

A post from the thread

"I can't say categorically, but as you'd have to remove the belt to change the water pump, so it might be a good idea. On the coupe, many cambelt failures aren't due to the cambelt snapping, but the auxillary belt snapping, then getting caught in the cambelt. A seized water pump can cause the aux belt to snap, so while it would cost more money to have it all done at once, it's less than changing them individually, and less than fixing a broken engine!"

"You should get the cambelt, the auxillary belt, and all associated tensioners done at the same time. It's not a bad idea to get the water pump changed too, as it's about £35 I think, and easy to do at the same time. This changes thae parts bill from about £15 (for the cambelt) to about £200 (tensioners are expensive!). But it's the labour that costs a bit anyway.
While the belt is being done, get the garage to check that the cambelt cover doesn't foul the cambelt, as on early cars the cambelt cover warps over time and can gently rub the cambelt."

please see this as sensible advice.i have seen 16 v's and 20 v's cambelts snap way before 50k.sometimes its the counter rotating belt that snaps and takes the cam belt with it.so cam belts should be changed as follow.all non turbo engines - 36k. all turbo engines - 24k.the last figure is low,but these engines have the most wear on the cam belt due to the torque.all tensioners and the water pump should be changed as well as any auxillary belts.how much does a head cost to fix if the belt snaps?

Sorry to **** you off with so much reading on a holiday. But please try to clairfy my doubts on the auxiliary belt, counter rotating belt and the water pump

Just came back, had a wonderful meal at the Indian restaurant, vegetarian meal for two, lot's of different things, don't remember all the names, but it tastes good!
It always reminds us of our journeys in England....!

As for the waterpump, in my opinion it's only necessary with high(er) km readings ( mileage).
If the engine has done less than about 150000 km's and the pump is not leaking, and has no play, it's a waste of time and money.
I changed the cambelt three times on my Palio until now (145000km), never changed the waterpump....

Hi Peter
What about the auxiliary belt and counter rotating belt mentioned in the posts?
Glad to know that you enjoyed the meal
Thanks

Hi Peter
Called up many people regarding belts. None of them had everything in stock and were asking for samples to see if they can get one. I could not risk removing the bearing for them and then hearing they cant get it for me
One guy said that he will remove all the cables and bearings i want from a new engine which obviously is untrue because 1.6 petrol engines are not used it linea's and punto's and i don't understand why would a spares dealer keep a new engine in his godown. Its obvious that its from an engine which is removed from a car met with an accident.
I will try with authorized service centres in m city else other major cities in India.

rikhav said:

Hi Peter
What about the auxiliary belt and counter rotating belt mentioned in the posts?
Glad to know that you enjoyed the meal
Thanks

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= alternator, powersteering and A/C belt.

Go to an official FIAT dealership, show them the partnumbers I gave you, have those numbers verified for your car, and you'll be fine for the next three years....!!

Peter Pick-Up said:

Go to an official FIAT dealership, show them the partnumbers I gave you, have those numbers verified for your car, and you'll be fine for the next three years....!!

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Called up the the biggest Fiat service centre in Mumbai, they tell me that they don't stock the parts as many Palios / Sienas don't come for repairs
I have a lodged a complaint with the Fiat Helpline as was urged by some senior official of Fiat India

By the way i always thought you are from England. Netherlands is a beautiful place to stay. Never been there but heard a lot

Palio's were never sold in the UK, they were sold in Holland, together with the Palio Pick-Up, (the Strada) ,that's a reason why I'm moderator....
The Palio wasn't a succes overhere, only about 3500 were sold in about 6 years, the Strada is a very rare car, only about 100-150 are sold, but it is still available new here....

Consider to order the parts, according to the numbers I gave you, at ANY Fiat, Lancia, Alfa Romeo or Iveco dealership, and go to a mechanic/ workshop you trust, to have it al fitted...!

@ rikhav - have you tried the shops near Opera House in Mumbai? Heard that the shops there store most spares. did you get in touch with Mr Mangesh?

are you on team bhp as well?

By the way, Thanks a lot Peter for the detailed information provided.

Hi Planet_rocker

Yes, I am on Team-bhp as well and i am not sure who is Mr. Mangesh. I am not so much active with team-bhp

I have been doing rounds of opera house since i wanted a gear lever cable for my car. Even for the timing belts and bearings none have all the parts and also not original. Some ask for the sample of the bearing. What am i suppose to do if that shop says later on that they don't have it after i give them the sample of the bearing?

Belts are too critical parts to even think of using the imported ones (made in Malaysia or nearby)

Peter has helped so much and he knows the Palio so damn well.

Guys, the following link may be of some help. You can take a look if you want. it is related to Cam Timing Belt / Belt bearing / AC bearing...

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/444008-post55.html

Source: www.team-bhp.com/forum

Take care and drive safe.

Hi Peter
The car is back and the engine shivering problem has gone. So i conclude it was due to the leaking clutch slave cyliner.
Cold start issues still persists as i could not get the spark plugs in time and car was ready. Maybe in few days i will get the same
The Hyundai service center has done a good job with the car specially with door servicing. All though they charged more then usual but i feel its money well spent.
Brakes are also very quiet after cleaning. Not sure how long it will be same as earlier too discs start to make noise after some weeks
Also cleaning of injectors and throttle has helped. Engine feels much more responsive, smooth and less noisy

I have not driven the car. I got this inputs from my brother who is more of a sedate driver who does not like to floor the throttle but has a habit to brake at the very end (a habit which i tell him to rectify due to lack of driving sense in india)

Thanks for all your help

He is also back into active F1

We had this ad coming on Indian television when palio was launched here

Fiat India is phasing out palio in india inspite of earlier saying to press that they are bringing an updated version
My bet is that they are not going to improve the service support for palios as is promised by CEO of Fiat India

AFAIK at the Auto Expo, he mentioned that they donot have any plans to phase out the Palio Stile in 1.1, 1.6 and 1.3MJD - Dunno what will happen to the 1.6 once E4 Norm comes into play from April 2010