The FIAT Forum
Shop4Parts - UK's largest online superstore for FIAT and Alfa Romeo parts

Go Back   The FIAT Forum > FIAT Cars > Palio


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 24-06-2007   #1
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 21
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: (0)
Question when i turn on the air cinditioner,the acceleration decreases,RPM falls,why?

i have fiat palio 1.4 , whenever i turn on the air conditioner , i feel that the engine power is droped , the acceleration is decreased , why is this ??!!
Also , once the air conditioner is on , the RPM is slightly decreased ( normaly it is at 800 , when air conditioner is on it falls down to 700 or even lower )
another question , the spark plugs are now working for 37000 km , does this has any relation to the situation of the air conditioner ?? cuz the decrease in the acceleration is more obvious the last 7000 - 8000 km ?

is ther any solution to restore the normal acceleration of the car ?
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides | FAQs

Chelsawy is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 24-06-2007   #2
Forum Moderator
 
T14086's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Tent
Posts: 15,490
Thanks: 178
Trader Rating: (0)
T14086 has donated! United Kingdom 
Re: when i turn on the air cinditioner,the acceleration decreases,RPM falls,why?

This is normal...switching on the air con will use up around 8bhp.Switch it off when not required aswell as for fuel consumption reasons.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides | FAQs

T14086 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 24-06-2007   #3
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 21
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: (0)
Re: when i turn on the air cinditioner,the acceleration decreases,RPM falls,why?

Originally Posted by T14086 View Post
This is normal...switching on the air con will use up around 8bhp.Switch it off when not required aswell as for fuel consumption reasons.
thanks bro , but the problem is the increase of power loss lately , there was decrease in the acceleration but not that much .

what do you think of that ??
also should i change the spark plugs or can they continue more millage ? and do they have any relation to the air conditioner ?
why the air conditioner takes that power from the engine , is it electrical reason ( drop in the spark intensity ) or just mechanical ??!!
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides | FAQs

Chelsawy is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 24-06-2007   #4
Forum Moderator
 
T14086's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Tent
Posts: 15,490
Thanks: 178
Trader Rating: (0)
T14086 has donated! United Kingdom 
Re: when i turn on the air cinditioner,the acceleration decreases,RPM falls,why?

mechanical....its connected via belt to crank pulley.....you dont notice it on large engine cars but do on smaller engines.

Change plugs every 2 years or 24K miles,they are cheap anyway so no harm in changing them,check HT lleads aswell.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides | FAQs

T14086 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 24-06-2007   #5
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Milton Keynes
Posts: 494
Thanks: 18
Trader Rating: (0)
United Kingdom 
Re: when i turn on the air cinditioner,the acceleration decreases,RPM falls,why?

as above and use genuine parts especially plugs!
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides | FAQs

Chris@souls is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 24-06-2007   #6
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 21
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: (0)
Re: when i turn on the air cinditioner,the acceleration decreases,RPM falls,why?

first of all , thanks a lot for you help .

yeah ,got it , also the belt is changed at 40000 km , but i thought it might have a relation to the electric system ,
anyway , what should i do now to restore the lost performance ?
the air filter is clean , should i change the spark wires with sport ones or they won't make a difference ? i've never changed them , the installed are the factory wires .
any other ideas to increase the acceleration ?
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides | FAQs

Chelsawy is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 24-06-2007   #7
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 21
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: (0)
Re: when i turn on the air cinditioner,the acceleration decreases,RPM falls,why?

Originally Posted by Chris@souls View Post
as above and use genuine parts especially plugs!
the user manual says that the recommended type is NGK BKR5EKC ,
is there any better type ( to increase the performance ) or should i use these NGK ?
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides | FAQs

Chelsawy is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 25-06-2007   #8
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 21
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: (0)
Re: when i turn on the air cinditioner,the acceleration decreases,RPM falls,why?

Hello , anybody there !!
what should i do for the drop in the RPM ?
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides | FAQs

Chelsawy is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 25-06-2007   #9
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 124
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: (0)
Egypt 
Re: when i turn on the air cinditioner,the acceleration decreases,RPM falls,why?

Install a bigger engine ?
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides | FAQs

cryptonx is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 25-06-2007   #10
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 21
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: (0)
Re: when i turn on the air cinditioner,the acceleration decreases,RPM falls,why?

Originally Posted by cryptonx View Post
Install a bigger engine ?
great idea ....
how did i miss this idea
and money saving method indeed

really , do you have any idea to increase the performance of the car ?
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides | FAQs

Chelsawy is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 25-06-2007   #11
 
Rampage94's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: USA/UK
Posts: 381
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: (0)
United Kingdom 
Re: when i turn on the air cinditioner,the acceleration decreases,RPM falls,why?

yup, dont use the aircon. it uses alot of power on small engines. other than that nothing you can do.
__________________
2003 Landrover Freelander S 2.0L Td4 1989 Toyota Celica GT4 St165 Engine rebuild underway Fiatless once again
Rampage94 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2007   #12
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 21
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: (0)
Thumbs up Re: when i turn on the air cinditioner,the acceleration decreases,RPM falls,why?

It's solved

the decrease in acceleration : the air filter is changed by a new one , the acceleration increased obviously .

the drop in RPM : i went to the service center , they told me that there is oxygen sensor ( or something like that ) needs to be cleaned , they cleaned it by using carbeurator cleaner spray , now when i turn on the A/C the RPM increases to compensate the effect of the A/C .

one more thing , they said that i have to change the spark plugs to increase the acceleration & to improve the fuel consumption , when i have them changed i will tell you the results
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides | FAQs

Chelsawy is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2007   #13
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 21
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: (0)
Re: when i turn on the air cinditioner,the acceleration decreases,RPM falls,why?

am i all alone in this forum ????????
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides | FAQs

Chelsawy is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 13-07-2007   #14
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 2
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: (0)
Re: when i turn on the air cinditioner,the acceleration decreases,RPM falls,why?

The RPM dropping is a clear sign that the air intake was blocked, this usually has an effect that when you turn on the AC , the load on the engine increases and thereby acceleration / pickup decreases! however, the RPM increases. The o2 sensor is connected to the ECU that controls the amount of air that is let into the engine during compression.
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides | FAQs

madan80 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 17-07-2007   #15
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 124
Thanks: 0
Trader Rating: (0)
Egypt 
Re: when i turn on the air cinditioner,the acceleration decreases,RPM falls,why?

Congratiulations , Let us know whats up when u change the plugs .

BTW notice , that this Forum is British , and there's No Palio/Sienna/Albea in the UK .. so most users lurking here are far far away from the UK .. thats why its not so ... alive .
__________________
FIAT Forum Useful Links:
Donate to FF | Buy FF Merchandise | Classifieds | FF Insurance | How-to Guides | FAQs

cryptonx is offline  
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Air Box Modification polecat Marea > Technical 75 26-09-2007 09:05
Air Conditioning (climate system) controls ben743 Tipo 8 04-03-2005 13:31
Airbox on mk2 45 chrisunoman Uno 13 23-12-2004 00:15
Hot air intake to air filter alexGS Uno 5 10-09-2004 10:59
air box mod revisited jbackg Marea > Technical 1 18-08-2004 00:33


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 18:14.

Copyright ©2002 - 2008 FIAT Forum
Proudly hosted by iNETFX Message Boards and Forums Directory