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Re: Starting problems FIAT 500f

Have a look at this post, there is a user manual PDF that explains the key positions

http://www.fiatforum.com/downloads.p...downloadid=494
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Ahh i see that makes a lot more sense now although horn works when at 11 and 12 o clock positions...lights works ok at 11 o clock position...mid position nothing works unless i push thhe key in a bit and then i can see lights on intermittently when switching them on but your explanation clarifies that...when i managed to put it to 1 o clcock i got gen light and oil light but could not work indicators or wipers..tried cranking and got no firing..i agree with you that ad i dont get all functionality and also no firing at 1 o clock position as well as diffculty in turning must be the switch almost certainly but since i did get gen light why woukd it not fire straight away as that woukd mean even for the coil alone it shoukd be getting voltage (even if wipers and indicators werent working) is is just normal behaviour of faulty switch altogether?
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Thanks vitesse you re a top man the pdf is even more helpful...also note i can take key out even at 1 o clock position so switch has seen better days for sure it seems even more certainly now
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In my experience 80% of all 500's have hidden switches as an antitheft device.
Are you sure yours does not have one? If it had one it could have been toggled by accident and the car would pretty much behave like this.
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Hi Thomas I started to write out the reply but it suddenly occurred to me it probably wasn't a good idea to say on an open forum how to effectively hot wire a 500, seeing they are not the most secure car to get into.

I can PM you the info but probably not a good idea to broadcast it. I wouldn't want anyone's pride and joy getting stolen.
I guess you are probably right, better not say it, i am starting to thinking of putting a secret switch because those cars are easy to stole. I have an idea of using a headphone jack as a key. Maybe after finishing with the engine.
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I guess you are probably right, better not say it, i am starting to thinking of putting a secret switch because those cars are easy to stole. I have an idea of using a headphone jack as a key. Maybe after finishing with the engine.
I don't think a headphone jack is a good idea as it probably be able to handle the current. You could use one of these. I used to have one fitted on my battery but lost the knob that you unscrew. I have just ordered a new one as you brought up the subject and they are very cheap plus you need access to the bonnet to it, so it's adds a little bit more protection but doesn't prevent someone who is really determined.

You simply unscrew the knob and take it with you.

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Re: Starting problems FIAT 500f

Veering well off the subject:
On an early 500, most potential joy-rider thieves will be baffled by the need to turn a key and then pull a lever.
I think professional thieves might not even bother to drive the thing...a Fiat 500 does stand out a bit and fits easily onto most trailers and into many vans.
If I understood the Google translation properly, in Italy there are thieves who turn up with transporters to remove cars. Even to people watching, the activity might find it less suspicious than someone fiddling under the bonnet.
I rarely have cause to worry as I live well away from a major city, but if I am away from home and not taking the car I remove the rotor arm, even when the car is in the garage....an old trick. I also do that when I have to park up in a remote spot where a potential thief will have plenty of time do do their best to get the car going.
One thing I have noticed whilst owning all types of old cars, people often feel entitled to try the doors or go right up to the windows and peer in with their greasy hands and noses. So it pays to always lock up and remove keys, valuables etc......just in case.
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[QUOTE=Vitesse;4230468]I don't think a headphone jack is a good idea as it probably be able to handle the current.

I think coil 12v is not that much of a current but i have to agree that if someone is determined nothing can stop him.
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Hello all

I am in a pretty stuck situation now

I have so fat
1.replaced ignition switch. New one works a treat i get lights flashers generator and oil light
2.replaced coil with new one. No ignition
3.replaced condenser. No ignition
4.took a spark plug out and left it touching exhaust manifold-no spark at all shown i can send you the video
5.took off dizzy cap checked it for cracks and it is all good. Took a video with it off and points seem to close on and off ok but no sparks at all are visible. No ignition

What can i do now? Could someone provide any more insight for troubleshooting the lack of spark at the spark plugs pleasE.
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You need to check you have 12v at the + terminal on the coil normally a light blue wire, with the ignition switch on. If you don't have a volt meter and have a spare bulb or take one out of one of lights. Take the blue wire off the coil hold it to the end terminal on the bulb, normally soldered and touch the body of the bulb holder to a decent earth on the car, obviously with the ignition switches on and the bulb should illuminate?
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Yeap i get the volt reading ok on voltmeter at blue wire still no spark
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Are your spark plug wires at the correct positions? Are you sure they are not reversed? Please check that also.
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Yeap i get the volt reading ok on voltmeter at blue wire still no spark
Do you have the blue wire on the correct coil terminal. I always find it odd that on mine it is the terminal near the rear of the car.
Have you checked that the engine has a good earth return lead to the body, and that it is giving a good connection? In these circumstances you can't assume that the LT current is getting through just because the starter works.
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Are your spark plug wires at the correct positions? Are you sure they are not reversed? Please check that also.
Oh just notice that you dont have a spark at all so this is not the problem.
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And here is another, since you changed the condenser check that it's wire is isolated from the rest of the distributor body. There is a small plastic isolator there.
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