500 how easy is it to steal a fiat 500 without a key?

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500 how easy is it to steal a fiat 500 without a key?

No, I'm sure I wouldn't, but it is a good way of stopping the car being driven away by a casual thief. Any determined tea leaf would get the car no matter what you did.

As I said earlier, people would habitually remove the rotor arm from the distributer to immobilise their vehicles during WW2, so pulling a fuse and popping it into your pocket is a good way too.

Looking at the list of fuses, I reckon that F03 Yellow would be a good one. It's labeled as "Ignition Switch".

i've never (yet) opened the fuse box under the bonnet, so I have no real idea how convenient/inconvenient this idea is.

Regards,
Mick.
 
No, I'm sure I wouldn't, but it is a good way of stopping the car being driven away by a casual thief. Any determined tea leaf would get the car no matter what you did.



As I said earlier, people would habitually remove the rotor arm from the distributer to immobilise their vehicles during WW2, so pulling a fuse and popping it into your pocket is a good way too.



Looking at the list of fuses, I reckon that F03 Yellow would be a good one. It's labeled as "Ignition Switch".



i've never (yet) opened the fuse box under the bonnet, so I have no real idea how convenient/inconvenient this idea is.



Regards,

Mick.


Many cars stolen are simply lifted on to the back of a truck regardless of any security systems
 
Yes, I know.
Is a common or garden Fiat500 worth going to that trouble?
i'm sure ours isn't, it's only a 500TA 85hp Lounge 61 plate.

My point is that some "people" will steal ANY car for a joy ride and abandon it somewhere. By pulling a fuse or having a secret kill switch, they will fail to drive the car away.

Just an idea to foil them, that's all.

Cheers,
Mick.
 
Yes, I know.
Is a common or garden Fiat500 worth going to that trouble?
i'm sure ours isn't, it's only a 500TA 85hp Lounge 61 plate.

My point is that some "people" will steal ANY car for a joy ride and abandon it somewhere. By pulling a fuse or having a secret kill switch, they will fail to drive the car away.

Just an idea to foil them, that's all.

Cheers,
Mick.

Reminds me of back in the early 80's someone stole my every day car which was a 1972 Fiat 500 from outside my parents house, they rang me the next day pretending to be the police and told me where it was! I guess they just needed to get home!
 
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Reminds me of back in the early 80's someone stole my every day car which was a 1972 Fiat 500 from outside my parents house, they rang me the next day pretending to be the police and told me where it was! I guess they just needed to get home!

In the early 90's a friend's mother had a ford fiesta.

It got pinched one night. They reported it stolen and went looking for it the next morning.

They found it parked up in the corner of a local multistory. The only thing out of place was a fish and chip wrapper in the driver's door pocket. Obviously someone on the way home from the pub decided they needed a car to get home rather than having a walk.

Nowadays they'd either key every panel or torch it, just to be spiteful.
 
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Thinking about it, I remember an advert in a motoring mag some years ago that showed a unit you fit onto a battery terminal and it had a by-passable fuse in it. When you leave your car, you pull off a button thingy off the top leaving only the fuse to supply the car whilst you're away. That way, the car's electronics keep going, but if a thief tries to start the car, the fuse blows instantly and the starter motor fails to turn.

I wonder if those things are still available?

Regards,
Mick.



I recall I found this tread some few years back, but somehow never got much publicity. However, it seems to diapers from the marked now - possible was it no success? Anyone use it?

http://www.fiat500owners.com/forum/...wireless-kill-switch-even-porsche-owners.html

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Yes, I know.
Is a common or garden Fiat500 worth going to that trouble?
i'm sure ours isn't, it's only a 500TA 85hp Lounge 61 plate.

The 500 is a fun car, I guess some joyrider thief wanted to try one out :cry:
 
I opened the under-bonnet fuse panel cover today.

Quite a fiddle to do, so I don't think it's worth the effort to open the bonnet, remove the cover, remove a fuse, then re-fit the cover, put the fuse in your pocket, and close the bonnet.

I like the idea of using a remote control. :)

Mick.
 
Hi in my experience it is very easy to steal a fiat 500 without the keys.
My car was stolen last year it was just coming up to three years old and had only 6000 miles on the clock. It was stolen at about 1am I still have both keys. The police asked to see them first and only three days later do a PNC check which showed that it was seen twice on the A2 then in Essex.
When I shopped round looking for a new one I discovered there were another 5 fiat 500 stolen in and around the area, One poor chap came into the showroom when I was there and said his next door neighbour saw it drive off. I managed to get £1000 pounds in addition to the regular discount for a new car as a loyalty discount. My new car has a tracker fitted.
If anyone knows who these people are please shop them.
 
On the South London borough that I live on, for a while it seemed that Fiat 500s were being targetted as several were stolen in the area all without keys. It was suspected that some bit of kit that is normally used for Range Rovers etc was used in the ODB port to bypass the ignition and possibly releasing the steering lock too, although I was under the impression that the key had to be physically turned.

There are bits of kit out there that will program a new key using the black box, which may well be how it works.

My neighbour has a flash Audi RS.. hes resorted to a "krooklok" as a deterrent. These cars are decoded and driven away regularly.. :/
 
Fiat 500's can be stolen in a couple of minutes. They use a pick in the door that retains the profile of the key once it's picked so it can then be used in the ignition. Once they have done that they use a pocket size OBD device that rewrites the eprom in the ecu to to make it as new before the immobiliser function was programmed. It also blocks communication between the engine ecu and body computer so the immobiliser isn't automatically reprogrammed in the ecu by the body computer.
Easy way to prevent this is to disconnect the can lines from the OBD socket or follow them back and insert a switch in the line further back. You can leave them disconnected all the time and the only time they will need to be reconnected is when you want to perform diagnostics.
 
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Fiat 500's can be stolen in a couple of minutes. They use a pick in the door that retains the profile of the key once it's picked so it can then be used in the ignition. Once they have done that they use a pocket size OBD device that rewrites the eprom in the ecu to to make it as new before the immobiliser function was programmed. It also blocks communication between the engine ecu and body computer so the immobiliser isn't automatically reprogrammed in the ecu by the body computer.
Easy way to prevent this is to disconnect the can lines from the OBD socket or follow them back and insert a switch in the line further back. You can leave them disconnected all the time and the only time they will need to be reconnected is when you want to perform diagnostics.



However your average thief will not have the knowledge or equipment for that.
 
Unfortunately there are companies out there that specialise in making equipment that has no other real world purpose other than stealing cars and will sell to anyone. The programming aspect of stealing a 500 this way is idiot proof. The only technical part is picking the lock and the Fiat locks are pretty easy most can be opened in under a minute with practice.
 
I guess one advantage of drivin a Croma is it's pretty immume to his type of OBD attack. Four CAN nodes would need to be re-programmed, not just the ECU. They are rare so I doubt anyone would bother cracking that. And of course who would want to steal one.
When I had a high-risk car (Audi S4) several years ago, I built custom immobiliser. It was based on Dallas i-Button "keys". Serial numbers were hard coded and it broke a number of circuits. Even the modern method of breaking in to the house and stealing the keys would not have helped much as the iButton and reader were disguised.

Robert G8RPI.
 
I guess one advantage of drivin a Croma is it's pretty immume to his type of OBD attack. Four CAN nodes would need to be re-programmed, not just the ECU. They are rare so I doubt anyone would bother cracking that. And of course who would want to steal one.
When I had a high-risk car (Audi S4) several years ago, I built custom immobiliser. It was based on Dallas i-Button "keys". Serial numbers were hard coded and it broke a number of circuits. Even the modern method of breaking in to the house and stealing the keys would not have helped much as the iButton and reader were disguised.

Robert G8RPI.

The main advantage of Coma ownership is that no one will want to steal it.
 
The main advantage of Coma ownership is that no one will want to steal it.
As I said, and who would want to be unresponsive in hospital
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Still think my Croma (1.9 150 Eleganza) is great and don't want to change it. There are lots of advantages to ownership, not least is the response "a fiat what?"
Even the local dealer didn't know what one was, they had vauge recollection of the Mk1.

Robert G8RPI.
 
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