Ducato Crysler now owns Fiat

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IvaFiatNightmare

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This may not get to all forum members but I've just found out that FIAT is no longer the Italian Icon we all thought we were buying.
Fiat has been bought out by Crysler as of 1st May 2012.:confused:
This is the case in Australia Russia America and other countries.
Any problems now have to be directed to Crysler.
Great like everything else the Maunfacturing design faults finally got the better of them and Crysler are hoping to increase the poor Fiat sales.
Lotus and Ferrari are still Fiat owned.
I learn something new everyday in the CTT tribunal australia.
Thanks and heres hoping Crysler will fix the Ducato water feature before further production and sales.
The Model is to run for 10yrs beginning 2007 and there have been no design changes yet.:bang:
IvaFiatNightmare:cry:
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Hi Dave,
Sorry to tell you if you put in Crysler took over Fiat 2012 you will see that on 1st May this occurred.
I also saw the postings on the net that said the other way round but that was a different matter.
I know peolple dont like to believe things, but I heard this for myself in the actual tribunal by the Managing Director of ATECO who is a Respondent to the matter I have and he was asking if responsability for the manufacturing fault had to be passed from them to CRYSLER.
Just type it into GOOGLE www.caradvice.com.au/.../chrysler-australia-takes-over-alfa-romeo-fi...http://www.caradvice.com.au/.../chrysler-australia-takes-over-alfa-romeo-fi...
Thanks Dave
IvaFiatNightmare
 
They have distrubition rights, certainly down't own, probably because chrysler have better name in Australia than Fiat, like here the Lancia is labelled as Chrysler Ypison/delta etc
 
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Hi,
Yes they do have distribution and have taken over Fiats liability as well.
All new Fiat owners still have to report difficulties to Crysler.
I loved Fiat until this Ducato, it is truely rubbbish and looks like 20yr old Motor housing and has only travelled 20,000 kms in 4 1/2 yrs.
This Fiat and the Jayco section have made this a $105,000.00 AU nightmare with litigation now a confusion in the Australian CTTT.
If you say that Fiat still own the actual brand and factories then it is still Fiat who the customers of the world should be banning by not buying the faulty manufactured designs Fiat are still producing unchanged.
Thanks for info moderator
IvaFiatNighmare
 
Can't really comment as I don't own a ducato however I understand your issue.

Wouldn't it be better to just sell the Fiat and buy something else and move on? not great advice I admit but that's what I would do. It's unfair for everyone to punish the whole Fiat company due to this 'issue' as there are hundreds of thousands of happy customers worldwide.
 
Sorry I didn't think truthful information was punishment, i thought it was useful for those who think they may have no hope.
As I said I loved Fiats until the Ducato not just mine but all Ducato models built between 2007-2017 are the same with the extra water feature etc etc.
I would love to sell the Fiat but its a Motorhome and I've been trying to get it solved for a very long time.
The losses are way to much and unfair for this pensioner to bare.
IvaFiatNightmare
 
Why would a profitable company let some c***y american brand take them over. It's definetly the other way around.

Chrysler Group LLC is an American-based, multinational automaker, in global strategic alliance with its majority owner, Italian manufacturer Fiat, since 2009.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler
 
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Hi,
Yes they do have distribution and have taken over Fiats liability as well.
All new Fiat owners still have to report difficulties to Crysler.
I loved Fiat until this Ducato, it is truely rubbbish and looks like 20yr old Motor housing and has only travelled 20,000 kms in 4 1/2 yrs.
This Fiat and the Jayco section have made this a $105,000.00 AU nightmare with litigation now a confusion in the Australian CTTT.
If you say that Fiat still own the actual brand and factories then it is still Fiat who the customers of the world should be banning by not buying the faulty manufactured designs Fiat are still producing unchanged.
Thanks for info moderator
IvaFiatNighmare
All that link says is ATECO (the 'old' importer) have handed over rights to Chrysler to import/distribute vehicles in Australia. This makes sense because the amount of Chrysler dealerships will mean a greater presence for Fiat and Alfa here, a good thing in my book. Yes, as Chrysler dealerships are now points of sale for F/A you go to them for problems, that does make sense. But not once in that article does it mention that Fiat/Alfa have been bought by Chrysler.

I understand you aren't happy with your Ducato; accept you may have bought a bad car or a lemon, buy a replacement and move on. You said you loved Fiats, don't let one bad experience change that view, please...
 
Chrysler as a corporation filed for bankruptcy in 2009 they are not in a position to buy any company let alone fiat which offered a bail out to Chrysler in the form of an aliance where by fiat bought a 20% stake in Chrysler, which will rise if the performance of Chrysler is improved and when American government money is fulling repaid fiat will own the controlling share of Chrysler, so in effect fiat bought Chrysler.

All your link shows is that an independent company in aus called Ateco Have lost the distribution rights to fiat in Australia, and by the looks of things fiat are planning to use the Chrysler network of dealers to take over the sales and distribution of fiat in aus. Same as fiat are using the Chrysler dealer network to sell the fiat brand in America, and you will note most of the Chrysler line up of cars are simply rebadged Lancia models (lancia are also owned by fiat)

So in summary Ateco never 'owned' fiat and now, even having switched distrubution to Chrysler, fiat is still very muched owned by fiat.

As for your camper van, the Ducatto is generally a good work horse however not all campers as built by fiat, many are conversions from bodyless chassis. Even those bought through fiat dealers can be build by companies other than fiat. I see 20 year old fiat campers knocking around the British roads, even with our damp weather and harsh winters they are generally in great condition so would be very surprised if your van is in bad shape cosmetically.

Please explain your actual problem with the van as all you've said is it has 'an extra water feature' which in all honesty doesn't mean anything to anyone, people on this forum are very good at helping solve these problems if you give them a chance, but to me it sounds like your problem is with Ateco for not dealing with and fixing your problems, and not Fiat.
If I were you I would look at this change as a positive thing you might get somewhere now as when dealing with Chrysler you are dealing direct with fiat and not an independent company as with Ateco you might actually get some where.

As for Lotus, the factory is just down the road from me (which produces all lotus cars across the world) and I can honestly say they Fiat and Chrysler currently do not and never have Owned lotus cars.
 

My problem is widely reported over the net and occurs on all Ducato mdels since 2007.
i experienced it in my own Motorhome and found relevant info on your forum.
Another member sent me the above link calling it a water feature.
We call it scuttlegate, cos watergate has already been used.
If you were to follow my other thread it would explain alot and give you the explanation of what the Ducato owners know about the product, a constant problem with water pouring in to the unsealed engine housing from factory from behind the windscreen area and between the sections of the scuttle which has rusted and pitted all metal surfaces, has rusted the injector housings onto the body , has rusted numerous other engine parts & bolts, water continually lies in the engine housing trench, the turbo seal has water constantly lying in it, the felt engine bonnet protector is wet with mould, the exit hosing for excess water to drain from window scuttle is on the wrong side so it builds pouring into engine cavity, the dash shakes so violently the dash has cracked, the air-con broke down, the plastic door arm rest has come apart at its joins, other repairs have already been done that actually caused the engine compartment to like a 20yr vehicle.
The Motorhome is a born to be a motorhome so it is a C class Motorhome built by Jayco.
Quite frankly I dont care who actually owns Fiat or who Distributes Fiat the Ducato has inbuilt manufacturing and design faults that are a total disgrace when large amounts of money are paid for a NEW product.
If I had not seen complaints on your Fiat forum I possibly would not have joined.
The Ducato is a nighmare no matter what any person who doesn't own one says.
IvaFiatNightmare
 
Its alright for some to throw away money but when you have saved your whole life its not fair and I dont understand why your solution is to just throw away money because the precious Fiat name may be soiled.
Australia hasn't come very far if we are to accept being ripped off and are just told sell it move on.
Maybe I cant move on if I were to sell it due to current financial market, maybe I have the rite to a fault free Jayco Motorhome, maybe I have a rite to not be duped everytime I have to soak up the water in my engine housing, maybe some people have too much money and have no empathy for those who are duped or haven't experienced such a hurt, maybe I thought other less afluent customers would like to be able to make an informed decision and maybe that would spare 1 person from having their dream squashed, maybe someone should simply just say NO to the big corporations who think nothing of those who have made them by buying their product, maybe its respect for those customers that is required or maybe its just the gutless wonders who will accept anything hence have made the rich companies have no respect for their customers?????????????
Who knows but I have been wronged and I deserve the rite to express this to relevant persons.
IvstillgottaFiatNightmare
 
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Ok so having read your other thread (as you suggested) I think I'm beginning to see what's going on.

You paid $105,000 Au for a fiat based Jayco built camper van, which turned out to have been used as a demo model and had some minor damage and you eventually negotiated a completely new motor home.
After a few months of ownership you found a problem with water ingress into the engine bay which had left some corrosion, this is a known problem for which fiat already have a fix.
When fiat attempted to undertake the recall you requested to take pictures of the pre repaired state but ultimately gave authorisation for the work to go ahead, they went ahead with the work before you could take pictures (for what ever reason) and threw a tantrum about it in their dealership which brings me to my first point.

If they are repairing the problem as per the instructions from the manufacture and it is not costing you anything why Did you need to take pictures? This seems pretty odd. Anyway they did their fix.

You say that there is corrosion and rust in the engine bay but you show me any van car truck what ever after a few months on the road that doesn't have this? No engine bay Is water tight, I appreciate the frustration at the damage caused by water dripping on to the top of the engine but it really is only cosmetic, ranting and raving about other peoples vans isn't really going to help you.

You then say the fiat dealership did some damage to the grill and what-not, which you went back to them to complain about further, which clearly resulted in an out of control argument as you were chased off the premises and banned from ever returning. Perhaps your reaction to them undertaking a simple recall without you being given the opportunity to photograph the engine bay did little to endear them to you?
Something about the aircon broke down which again I assume you got fixed under warrantee etc but you don't say if this was fiat fitted aircon or something installed by Jayco during the conversion, either way it's fixed and that's what a warrantee is there for.

Right now you move on to Jayco ranting and raving about the brothers who run the company etc etc all irrelevant blar blar blar I don't care. But what you do say is that there is a problem with the sealing in the roof that has caused rot? Obviously a problem but Seeing above you say the motor home is now four and a half years old I'm guessing your no longer covered under warrantee? No I have to say this I sympathise with because clearly the problem has existed since it was built, however you have to Prove that after all this time and with 20,000km of use that this isn't as a result of damage incurred after you bought it for instance you twisted the van on rough uneven ground and broke the sealing letting water in, you say it's well documented but documented by who? Other owners who have problems with leaks? Or Jayco them self. Obviously if it is Jayco they have an obligation to put the vehicle right, you mention "numerous other fault" but don't say what so can't really comment but your motor home is no longer a new van it's nearing 5 years old! Given your attitude towards the fiat dealer I can't imagine you've been any less aggressive towards Jayco so can only imagine you've really not done yourself any favours.

So anyway after $105,000AU, nearly 5 years 2 motor homes, problems too numerous to list, being banned from the fiat dealer, given the run around buy the Jayco dealer, courts solicitors and god only knows what else, you feel the best way to put everything right is to provide you with another identical motor home

It begs the question, are you completely insane? After all this you've not learnt anything? Sue them for your $105,000 + losses and inconvenience and move on with your life buy a different van and start enjoying your self.

Why on earth do you want to continue to deal with these people, if I were them I would gladly take the van back and pay up just to get rid of you.

No normal person does something so significantly bad as to get them banned at a car dealership, over something so minor as a damaged grill!!?

Your argument of "merchantable quality" is diminished by the 20,000km on the clocks and 4 and a half years clearly you,be not been prevented from using it and when fiat tried to fix faults you went off the deep end, I can only assume you've done the same with Jayco.

In all honesty I think the best you can hope to gain is some of your money, maybe they will buy the van back at current market value, I can't see you'll gain much else, and starting a crusade against fiat because there van has a fault which they provide a solution for is going to see you in the grave long before it effects fiat's bottom line.
Because its a Jayco built van fiat's total liability is probably no more than $20k

All manufactures have problems when it comes to engineering something as complex as a van/car they learn lessons, make decision, change there plans and move on. That's probably something you should do.
 
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FIAT owns Chrysler and currently owns 58.5% of the company. There is talk that FIAT will purchase another 3% of Chrysler from VEBA in July, 2012. One would think that becaue of the poor economy in Europe at the present time, that Chrysler owns FIAT. Due to Chrysler posting record profits again, they are simply carrying FIAT as FIAT carried an almost bankrupt and historic Chrysler Corporation. Now, the tables have turned and Chrysler is helping FIAT with profits until things improve in Europe. Unfortunately, everything evolves around the U.S. economy and what happens in the U.S. first, eventually impacts the rest of the world financially. Europe will eventually get through this and I'm happy to see FIAT back in the U.S. again!
 
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Thanks for your input AndyRKett,
The Motorhome I have is the replacement for the first breach of a New car Contract.
Yes I agree I don't want another Jayco and have changed the Orders sought to a full refund.
I have never been agressive just tell it how it is so I think you may misinterpret my descriptive way of writing telling how I feel it is.
If you thought my original posting is blah blah the entire matter is inches thick with hundreds of emails and letters that prove the unconscionable conduct of the family business and the way it is run and how it can effect someone or me in this case.
I have learnt that one lie begets another lie and one breach begets another breach to cover the original breach to cover the original lie - the Respondents are like a dog chasing their own tail trying to cover what they have done.
Thats what caused defamation and assaults not what you presume to be a reason.
Anyway I have a witness who is as horrified about the quality of the Fiat and the Jayco and the conduct of the companies who are involved.
If this is such a well known problem acceptable to your countrymen then thats probably why the rest of us are expected to have put up with a design manufacturing fault that should have been rectified if it was so widely known.
My actual claim is over the entire product being unmerchantable at the time of delivery.
That makes it trickey and has involved many parties with many problems created.
The Respondents have already deconstructed the Luton Peak looking for the horenderous noises when they themselves found the water ingress into the Luton Peak.
There was considerable mould and damage.
The Motorhome did not remain 'fixed' after this massive repair and more damage has become evident. This extends to all floor sections against outer walls.
I was just railroaded because of this and many many other issues.
It takes time and it takes diligence with the CTTT, but what I have learnt I truely believed was interesting to potential customers prompting them to ask questions and choose to become well informed.
I wish I had known about this site before I signed the contract as it was this forum that alerted me to the world wide problems the Fiat Ducato are experiencing.
I found answers that no-one was volunteering and wanted to give back.
So heres hoping a full refund comes my way or if not and the powers to be do what everyone is expecting maybe I'll write to the Minister for Fair Trading or maybe I'll just become a free Jayco motorhome problem identifing consultant, or write Jayco a Comedy of Errors the Motorhome musical or publish all my evidence in a pamplet, or update the Motorhomers chanel 5 years on by the not so grey nomads, T-shirts, sign-writing who knows but it is an industry that needs reform.
As for Fiat I don't know why they haven't fixed the problem because already there are fewer Motorhomes being built on the Ducato born to be a Motorhome.
A great truck maybe but I thought I was buying a luxury vehicle as an investment in the future not an ugly rusted truck that has other issues also.
IvaFiatNightmare
 
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