Technical Worrying Squeak.

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Technical Worrying Squeak.

M1kbee

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My 1.9 JTD 03 plate has developed a very worrying squeak.
I first noticed it 2 days ago but it doesn't seem to have affected performance yet.
It starts at about 1250rpm and gets louder and faster as the revs rise. Makes no difference whether or not it is in gear.

Anyone know what it is and how much this ones going to cost me?
Thanks for any help.
 
Definitely not a wheel bearing as it happens when I'm sat still. Will have a check of the belts though.
 
Alternator bearings are "popular" at the moment. There are two other threads on Multipla right now. Read them both.

Cambelt tensioner?

Remove alternator belt and run engine. If noise goes, you'll need to decide which rotating component was the culprit. If noise stays, likely to be cambelt tensioner. If so, fix it quick, before it takes out the belt and teh engine with it. That's all assuming noise is at that end of the engine.

WARNING: When listening to rotating bits, keep away to avoid injury. Especially any loose clothing. Ideally, have someone nearby to help, a) to help identify noise, b) in caseof injury.
 
Right.... Quick update and additional information.
This morning the noise has stopped. I don't think it only happens on a warm engine because yesterday it was squeaking when cold.

Should have mentioned, just shy of 80k and is mainly driven to work and back (10-15 mins each way).
 
Ok. I think I figured it out.

The handbrake has gone (its the ratchet. I have the part but not the weather on my days off to fix it) As such I have been leaving it in gear when parked.
Leaving it in reverse when parked downhill seems to be the cause of the squeak.
 
Ok. I think I figured it out.

The handbrake has gone (its the ratchet. I have the part but not the weather on my days off to fix it) As such I have been leaving it in gear when parked.
Leaving it in reverse when parked downhill seems to be the cause of the squeak.

That's a very strange diagnosis. One I've been pondering for a while.
Reading through your thread, you have said the noise is there when stationary, so the noise is not coming from the brakes. Therefore, using the engine as a brake is causing the squeak. I think it is more likely to be highlighting the problem, rather than causing it.

From your description, you appear to be parking it in reverse, when facing forwards downhill. This seems to be the recommended way, but I think it is dangerous to your wallet.
When parking in gear, we are trying to use engine compression to prevent the car rolling away. I've not yet found anyone to convince me that trying to turn the engine backwards will increase the effect of the compression, but turning the cambelt or chain the wrong way is courting disaster.

In normal operation, the cambelt (or chain) has a tight side, and a slack side. The tensioner is placed on the slack side, the tight side always being tight to maintain timing. Rotating it backwards makes the tensioner side the tight side and the untensioned side is now slack, ready and able to jump teeth. I suppose when valves and pistons meet the vehicle will definitely stop rolling down the hill. Although the owner's tears may cause a flood.

If this is what you are doing, reverse gear, facing forwards downhill, the you are changing the cambelt tension. Once running, the tensioner has to reset itself. It is unlikely that it moving on its pivot will cause much of a squeak. I therefore still believe that the squeak is likely to be the tensioner, the noise being warning of imminent failure.

Priorities:
1. Fix the handbrake. Getting very wet in the rain is cheaper than a new engine. It is also an offence for the handbrake to not be working.
2. Properly diagnose the squeak, and fix it before it breaks.
 
I only figured it out after the second time it started. I posted a few days ago that it had stopped. That very day I parked it in reverse and it started again.
After a day it stopped and has been fine since.
 
Handbrake is on. Managed it without taking the drivers seat out as suggested on one tread on here.
Not had any squeaks for over a week now.

Thanks for the info (didn't know that no handbrake was illegal)
 
Yes but that says nothing about the handbrake actually working and I can't find the legislation that says it must be.
The RTA does not apply on private property so when I was parked at work/home I was fine.
 
It'll be in the Construction and Use regulations somewhere.

Parking at home, on your own property will be fine, but at work will probably class as an area to which the public have access, so the rules will apply.

Chances of getting caught are slim. Unless it wanders off on its own.
 
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