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Re: 1988 Fiat Panda 4x4 Sisley "Four by Fork"

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Haven't used the 4x4 in a few days as the Fizz finally got some attention again, but here's a picture I took on the lane

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Current wishlist (birthday is coming up )
  • Inner driveshaft gaiters
  • Inner driveshaft bearings
  • Outer driveshaft gaiters
  • Prop shaft CV joint gaiters
  • Gearbox oil



My current plan is to take a good look at that front CV joint area on the prop. If I can pack the CV with grease then hopefully it will help the problem and then I can replace the gaiters.



Lots of gaiters! Once all replaced then hopefully that rattle isn't so prominent, the gearbox oil won't go all over the floor and the outer driveshaft gaiters will stop coming up on the MOT advisories

Loads of gaffa tape is a start !!
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Re: 1988 Fiat Panda 4x4 Sisley "Four by Fork"

Taken to the pit today. Typical rust and oil underneath but overall not bad! Checked gaiters, inner driveshafts have oil on so may need replacing anyway, outers do look fine actually but they came up as an advisory so again, still looking at replacing.

The main reason for getting the Fork on the pit however was to check the prop. The prop shaft was undone from he CV in front of it, and the CV then packed with grease. Put back together to see how it went, turns out the noise still occurs! So, next plan of action is to remove the prop completely and clean it up even better with new grease but we ran out of time today. Then once it has been cleaned up completely I can gauge if I need a whole new joint or just a new gaiter.
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Taken to the pit today. Typical rust and oil underneath but overall not bad! Checked gaiters, inner driveshafts have oil on so may need replacing anyway, outers do look fine actually but they came up as an advisory so again, still looking at replacing.



The main reason for getting the Fork on the pit however was to check the prop. The prop shaft was undone from he CV in front of it, and the CV then packed with grease. Put back together to see how it went, turns out the noise still occurs! So, next plan of action is to remove the prop completely and clean it up even better with new grease but we ran out of time today. Then once it has been cleaned up completely I can gauge if I need a whole new joint or just a new gaiter.

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Ok Owen it could be the rubber bearings does it happen when in 4 x4. If not that could be the case
If the prop is dented it also could be cause of vibration
The whole prop assembly can be removed leaving"" fork "" still drivable !! Whilst you refurbish
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Throw that adjustable spanner away
There the devils work
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Ok Owen it could be the rubber bearings does it happen when in 4 x4. If not that could be the case
If the prop is dented it also could be cause of vibration
The whole prop assembly can be removed leaving"" fork "" still drivable !! Whilst you refurbish
Does the noise happen in 4x4? Hard to tell, only used 4x4 twice so far and both times never get fast enough to hear the noise because it tends to be prominent when cruising at say 30 or when letting off the throttle and decelerating. Hopefully a closer inspection of the CV with the prop off will determine if I need more bearings/joints or just clean and new gaiters!

Prop doesn't look dented though, and yes prop assembly is planned to be removed so I can take that closer look Will mean I'll have to stay away from the rough stuff a bit longer but with the driveshaft gaiters to look at as well then that's fine, still got time!
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Throw that adjustable spanner away
There the devils work
Only to be used for throwing across the garage when pissed off with pandas
The adjustable isn't actually mine or my father's, when we were packing up we had no idea how it got there!? We think either my granddad left it out while working on another car or my little cousin was playing around with lots of tools and ended up putting one of my granddad's tools with ours
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Ok are you sure it's not a wheel bearing or even a buckled wheel all sorts of things can make noise
The prop shaft is a task if not attempted before so get some advice first or check other threads !!!!!
If you strip down the cruciform message me !!
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The adjustable isn't actually mine or my father's, when we were packing up we had no idea how it got there!? We think either my granddad left it out while working on another car or my little cousin was playing around with lots of tools and ended up putting one of my granddad's tools with ours
A tall tale
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Ok are you sure it's not a wheel bearing or even a buckled wheel all sorts of things can make noise
The prop shaft is a task if not attempted before so get some advice first or check other threads !!!!!
If you strip down the cruciform message me !!
Have you seen the video of me moving the prop from the underneath of the car? It makes the similar noise when you move the prop (coming from the direction of the front cv) so shouldn't be anything other than the prop or the joints associated and attached to it, it's just finding out which part of it is to blame which unfortunately means I'm going to have to take it off and have a look! Hopefully soon because I want to get off road with some mates and consider Andy's trip as well!
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A tall tale
I promise we left it over in granddad's toolbox! Not ours!
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Yep it's your mover shame hold your head low. Very low
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The noise may actually be from the rear of the front prop then, so that end must be removed next, cv greased and then see if it's better. Should be, as the noise still occurred when the front was re-greased. Either way, my Land Rover friend has mentioned a reputable bearings shop that should be able to get new cvs for me so I may replace the whole front and rear cv. See how it plays out after the next lot of grease and when the prop is off I can inspect it better!
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Re: 1988 Fiat Panda 4x4 Sisley "Four by Fork"

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The noise may actually be from the rear of the front prop then, so that end must be removed next, cv greased and then see if it's better. Should be, as the noise still occurred when the front was re-greased. Either way, my Land Rover friend has mentioned a reputable bearings shop that should be able to get new cvs for me so I may replace the whole front and rear cv. See how it plays out after the next lot of grease and when the prop is off I can inspect it better!
good plan! you are getting there
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Had the Fork on the ramp today to get to work on removing the prop!
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So, removing one of the nuts today and this happens to the spanner... so, quick trip to the shop to buy some more spanners and some hex keys while I'm at it
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Used some bumper shine on the side trims and they've come up very well. You can see the grey here that it was before, now it is all in the nice black you see above it!
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After a while, all the bolts were loosened and removed. To get the prop shaft out, a couple hits with a hammer at either end were needed to loosen it from where it was housed, and then the exhaust rubber mount is removed to take the prop out. Not sure what will be done for sure next but my assumption is it is going to need new cvs, if not then a good clean and sort out that's for sure!
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Front and rear have been marked, the rear cv was making the noise but if they need replacing then it may be best to replace both
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So, removing one of the nuts today and this happens to the spanner... so, quick trip to the shop to buy some more spanners and some hex keys while I'm at it
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Thought you might have an adjustable spanner of some sort around for this sort of eventuality?
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Thought you might have an adjustable spanner of some sort around for this sort of eventuality?
hahaha "cracking" joke there mate
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