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Re: 1988 Fiat Panda 4x4 Sisley "Four by Fork"

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Thanks for the info, I have a couple of links here, would you be able to tell me if they are fine for the 1988 Sisley? Everything on there seems to point to me that it's correct (the outer ones are universals but do say they fit the Panda), the inners look like they have the extra bearing you speak of?



Inner: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FIAT-PANDA...jiS-VgrRswD4zw



Outer: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FIAT-PANDA...KJDM_I_gaSB7wA



The inner comes with a pack of grease though, I'll need to get gearbox oil instead I take it? Seems strange that the inner is specified to the Panda but still comes with the grease as opposed to oil?



So, parts numbers for the gearbox gaitor a you require are...

LH gearbox gaitor- 7625541
RH gearbox gaitor- 7621245

My advice is eBay search for the parts number and buy old new official fiat stock. Will last longer than any aftermarket stuff.

You most likely wont need to replace the bearings as they aren't load bearing so should last forever.

The grease is for the CV joint gaitors not the gearbox gaitors.

Unfortunately I'm not sure of the CV gaitor part numbers but here is a close up picture for comparison

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Both LH and RH CV gaitors look the same to me

Here is what the bearing looks like with the gearbox gaitor torn off

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Quote Originally Posted by FDNY21 View Post
Thanks for the info, I have a couple of links here, would you be able to tell me if they are fine for the 1988 Sisley? Everything on there seems to point to me that it's correct (the outer ones are universals but do say they fit the Panda), the inners look like they have the extra bearing you speak of?



Inner: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FIAT-PANDA...jiS-VgrRswD4zw



Outer: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FIAT-PANDA...KJDM_I_gaSB7wA



The inner comes with a pack of grease though, I'll need to get gearbox oil instead I take it? Seems strange that the inner is specified to the Panda but still comes with the grease as opposed to oil?



All of the arches are full of mud at the minute anyway! Likely hasn't been cleaned in a very long time... I'd like to clean it completely and do some light rust repair on the bodywork, though first I need to get some paint as well. I think the bootlid says that the green used is called "Verde Tropico"



Sounds like you're well upgraded now with the CLX as opposed to an old Peugeot This Sisley definitely has its quirks but things like the windows I'd like to fix, the handles from the CLX I have should do nicely!



After driving the car yesterday, I also found that the fuel gauge goes ballistic at random intervals. Usually when steering or when putting the throttle to full, the fuel gauge suddenly slaps from left to right, and then calms down again after the car has stopped turning/accelerating. Luckily it calms down to what's actually in the tank so that I can still know if it's empty or not



Quite a lot of people look at the Panda 4x4 down the street, possibly because of a very loud noise that may be to do with the propshaft or the exhaust (not sure what yet), or more likely because it is awesome of course Some customers from my workplace saw my car and we got into a chat about it, they loved it!



Stopped off for a quick picture while test driving yesterday...

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I had no problems with the gearbox at all actually, but I did have a couple of times where I couldn't start the engine. First time was when I walked out the house to test drive it, turned the key to turn engine on, and nothing happened. Ignition had gone on so it wasn't the battery, but I tried a couple more times and nothing happened. I opened the bonnet, had a look underneath and thought to myself... "who am I kidding, I've got no idea what's wrong", so got back in the car and then it started on the dime first time



After I got back home and turned the car off, I went inside to grab something to eat. When I had finished, I came back out to go to work, and then it took me a couple of minutes to get the car started. I used a variation of choke in/out, it was still quite warm from the test drive, the starter was going but the engine wasn't starting, I tried pumping the pedal at random intervals as well. Just as I was thinking I'd have to give up and roll the car out the way to drive red Pandino to work, the car started, and got to work just fine. When I drove out for lunch, and drove home, both times the car started as normal on the button. Even started fine after I got some fuel so no idea why it had one issue earlier in the day! The perks of the old 4x4 everyone

Flooded with fuel
choke is for cold start

Stop trying to start leave 5 mins no choke then crank
That should do it if not a little coke when starts kill
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Generally, if the temperature gauge reads above the normal cold setting, no choke is required. If the engine is cold and there is no reading on the temperature gauge then you'll need some choke.
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Takes some getting used to
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Inner Gaiters:

RH: http://www.ricambio.co.uk/69-fiat/60...-strada-regata

LH: http://www.ricambio.co.uk/69-fiat/60...ra-bravo-brava

I normally replace the bearings, you have to remove them to fit the gaiters and the ones from Ricambio in the above links are genuine Fiat ones. Adam you are right the bearings don't really wear out but the seals do start to leak, its normally difficult to tell if they are if the gaiter is also split as they will be covered in oil anyway.
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Flooded with fuel
choke is for cold start

Stop trying to start leave 5 mins no choke then crank
That should do it if not a little coke when starts kill
Choke
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Generally, if the temperature gauge reads above the normal cold setting, no choke is required. If the engine is cold and there is no reading on the temperature gauge then you'll need some choke.
Thanks to both for the info, I used full choke starting the first time and lowered it as it got up to temp. On the second start after it still being warm, I must have gone and used a little bit of choke for the start and then flooded with fuel, where what I should have done is not used any choke at all or at least not as much (depending on where the temp needle was showing). As someone who never used a choke before, this is invaluable information so I don't do it again though, so thanks again
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Takes some getting used to
Pretty much mate, especially when new to it completely!
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So, parts numbers for the gearbox gaitor a you require are...

LH gearbox gaitor- 7625541
RH gearbox gaitor- 7621245

My advice is eBay search for the parts number and buy old new official fiat stock. Will last longer than any aftermarket stuff.

You most likely wont need to replace the bearings as they aren't load bearing so should last forever.

The grease is for the CV joint gaitors not the gearbox gaitors.

Unfortunately I'm not sure of the CV gaitor part numbers but here is a close up picture for comparison
Thanks for the pictures and information Adam, as far as I am aware the outer CV gaiters are not available as spares so may have to be universal/aftermarket ones?

The grease was supplied in the outer CV joint gaiter kit yes, but it was also supplied in the inner joint kit, where it should be gearbox oil rather than grease? Or am I missing something and there's more gaiters than I thought?

My assumption is you're calling the inners the gearbox gaiters whereas I am calling them the inner CV gaiters so may have just got confused in myself
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Inner Gaiters:

I normally replace the bearings, you have to remove them to fit the gaiters and the ones from Ricambio in the above links are genuine Fiat ones. Adam you are right the bearings don't really wear out but the seals do start to leak, its normally difficult to tell if they are if the gaiter is also split as they will be covered in oil anyway.
One 73mm and one 80mm there for the different inner gaiters, which must mean that the one I found on eBay wouldn't be a perfect fit as they were general for either side. I take it you recommend the genuine stock for inners and because the outers are not available (to my knowledge), universals will do (like the ones I initially linked)?

Ooer, didn't realise I was in for replacing bearings as well to start with but as long as it is easily done on the driveway then I can do it. All the was on the MOT for CVs was the outer gaiters but I believe you and Sj said it was best to do the inners while at it.

When I contacted you about gearbox spares you said you could send me all the bits, would you happen to have all the bits to do inner/outer CV gaiters and bearings so I could buy as a whole kit as well or is it worth still buying separately from Ricambio etc to get genuine parts?

Thanks all for the help so far - sorry, I haven't done anything with CVs before
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Pretty sure the repeater missing would be an MOT fail, not sure what year they became compulsary but guess all Panda's will be covered?

As for washer jet I wouldn't worry about it, you don't even need a rear windscreen for an MOT let alone a good wiper and a washer .

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Just a quick consideration as well, as you may see from the picture in the post above, there is no rear washer for the window and on the left there is no side repeater. Wouldn't these be potential MOT failures, or at least the indicator would be? I have a spare indicator so was hoping to replace, not sure easy the washer is to do but I can salvage the washer from the CLX as well (hoping it's not too hard to fit )!
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A little more from today So, while Chaz had so far donated a couple of air intake clips, it was now time for more pieces to be transferred to keep the Sisley in better condition. First, the plastic arch liner was removed from the CLX and Sisley, so that the side nearside indicator could be transferred to Forkie as he did not have one. The indicator had lost its orange housing and left broken on top of the liner, so it was easy enough just to take the unit from Chaz and re-use it all!
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While the handle was broken on the right rear window on the Sisley, and hence held tight against the seal via a bungee cord to the other window, I also found that both windows had one broken hinge each. Hence, all rear windows were removed from the Sisley and CLX - the tinted glass re-used from Chaz and put onto the Sisley with all handles and hinges transferred as well, however one handle was missing one side of the rivet so it was taken out and a new bolt with nut has it working perfectly as it should.

Now I've got the tinted rear glass on there as well as renewing all the handles and hinges so along with painting the Uno Turbo wheels today, I think it's been a productive day. It also had to be finished off with my first ever spot of driving on an off road track of course!
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Owen, those inner gaiters you linked to are totally wrong for the front driveshafts, they are more like the type on the propshaft that drives the rear wheels, although they are not correct for that!

You need to use the original type for the inner due to the bearing and way they attach to the box, universal ones will not work. The outers, yes something like you linked to should work, the outer joint is a conventional type so the universal ones will work. You need to find a suitable universal gaiter, they vary and can end up being baggy and rubbing on the suspension arm.

I could put you a kit together with everything you would need, but I'll be honest and say I only get the inner gaiters from Ricambio anyway, I could however send you a pair of outer gaiters that I find work well if you wanted?
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Owen, those inner gaiters you linked to are totally wrong for the front driveshafts, they are more like the type on the propshaft that drives the rear wheels, although they are not correct for that!

You need to use the original type for the inner due to the bearing and way they attach to the box, universal ones will not work. The outers, yes something like you linked to should work, the outer joint is a conventional type so the universal ones will work. You need to find a suitable universal gaiter, they vary and can end up being baggy and rubbing on the suspension arm.

I could put you a kit together with everything you would need, but I'll be honest and say I only get the inner gaiters from Ricambio anyway, I could however send you a pair of outer gaiters that I find work well if you wanted?
That's very misleading that they advertise them as the replacement for the Panda then, thanks for the info. Shame they advertise it like that!

Speaking of my propshaft, that may be the culprit of one nasty sound I have while driving along. I've got Andy checking out a video to see if he knows what the sound is though... may post it here in a bit if we're still stumped.

So the inner needs the original from Ricambio, due to the bearing, so does the bearing have to come out to get the inner gaiter off or can I keep the bearing on while I do it? If it has to come off then would the kit include bearings as well? May be helpful to buy a set with outer gaiters that definitely work as I don't want to end up fouling crap ones and then having to do it again anyway, outers are the ones that came up on the MOT after all!
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Yes, the bearing has to be removed to fit the inner gaiter and yes the link I gave is for the gaiters with bearings.

I can send you the outer gaiters, just say the word. Send me the video if you like aswell, although it is more than likely the CV joints on the propshaft rattling, does the noise happen when you come off the throttle?
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Yes, the bearing has to be removed to fit the inner gaiter and yes the link I gave is for the gaiters with bearings.

I can send you the outer gaiters, just say the word. Send me the video if you like aswell, although it is more than likely the CV joints on the propshaft rattling, does the noise happen when you come off the throttle?
Ahh I see, the kit on Ricambio includes the inner bearings, so I just need the RH and LH from Ricambio and universal outer gaiters and I'm sorted. I may give you a message about the outer at some point then.

In regards to the noise, it does occur when off the throttle, but also seems to happen when cruising as well:

Above videos should hopefully give some good insight into the noise, does sound like it could be coming from the propshaft area. Seems the things I need to do are slowly racking up...!

Another thing that I've noticed is that when I put the foot down, sometimes there is almost a "throttle lag", sometimes worse than other times, where it seems to take a couple of seconds for the engine to decide that it should actuate on what I have put into the pedal. My initial thought is it could be the cable but I lubricated the moving pieces and the issue is still there so I'm wondering if it could be a carb issue or something like that
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Hmm not the usual CV joint rattle, could be extremely worn CV joints on the prop (not front driveshaft) or centre bearings I would say, a look underneath would soon find it though I would think.
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Another thing that I've noticed is that when I put the foot down, sometimes there is almost a "throttle lag", sometimes worse than other times, where it seems to take a couple of seconds for the engine to decide that it should actuate on what I have put into the pedal. My initial thought is it could be the cable but I lubricated the moving pieces and the issue is still there so I'm wondering if it could be a carb issue or something like that
One to check on the carb - There's a little pump that squirts extra fuel in when you hit the throttle, the membrane can perish and split. take the airbox off and look down the carb while you twist the throttle on and off rapidly - you should hear a little "psst" each time and see/smell the fuel squirting in. If not, new membrane needed, easiest way is to just get a carb service kit and give it a once over.
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