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Marea Weekend Saint Moritz JTD 110

After having been watching this car for over 4 months, i finally called the garage and made a deal, then the very next day my previous Marea threw a tantrum during a climb up a local hill at full pelt. she's not worth repairing and is now parked in the garden waiting to be stripped for useful parts.
The new car is lovely, very tidy and has leather seats, but as with any car over 10 years old, she has quite a few things to do, but i have no money for this to be a project car, in terms of upgrades, she will remain vanilla as far as possible for the foreseeable future.

im amazed as to how much more open the JTD 110 engine bay is compared to the TD100, i have ABS and a whole load more other gubbins in there, but i have LOADS more room around the back of the engine, they did a great job of tidying it all up between 1999 and 2002. getting rid of the front air intake above the radiator was a good idea too
currently at 107,000km (66,000 miles) dash shows 87,000km due to a dashboard change at 19,000km
things on my to-do list:
  • change front tyres, they're at the limit and have been run under inflated for quite a while, they're heavily scrubbed on the sides indicating piss poor parking skills by the previous owner. i would like to install some bigger tyres so i can to get some extra fuel economy, and to remove the discrepancy in the speedo, if i'm doing 90kmh, i want to see 90, not 86. ium thinking 195/60/15, maybe 65, maybe some R16 alloys, but i'll have to do some more research on this, suggestions welcome.
  • move across (or put in storage) all the new parts recently purchased for the old marea, steering tie rod ends, suspension drop links, wishbone bushes (i'll just move the whole wishbone over), rear flexible brake lines, and i'll take off the new starter motor i fitted and and keep it on a shelf.
  • see if i can repair the broken metal *spring* parts poking out the back of the drivers seat just above the lumbar support.
  • see if the non audible *clunk* when dipping and releasing the accelerator is related to the engine mounts, or some other suspension parts.
  • sun visor clip snapped off.
  • radio doesn't work, fuses checked and are ok, 12v at fuse contacts.
  • pull out the dent in the right hand wing, and repair the damaged paintwork which has pulled off the galvanised coat and is already starting to rust a little.
  • front passenger door stay kingpin missing
  • outside temperature sensor intermittent, sometimes showing erroneous temperatures, sometimes telling me "ERROR CLI" there is a rip in the rubber boot which shields the wiring between the door and the body.
  • figure out why i cant connect to the ECU
  • i'd quite like to try putting a coupe anti roll bar on there after reading Steve20VT's thread, i like the medium soft ride on the marea, but i always felt the cornering sway needed stiffening up a little, especially with a diesel lump up front.
there are lots more things to discover, and i have no doubt the to do list will grow and evolve, but i shall endeavour to keep this thread as up to date as possible, with lots more photo's to come in the near future.
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Re: Marea Weekend Saint Moritz JTD 110

got connected to the ECU for 10 minutes before the laptop battery ran out, seems the ecu odometer has 160,000 on the clock,
i was always under the impression that if you swapped a dash, it took the highest mileage from the two counters and updated the one which was lower. obviously not the case here. feeling a little swindled, i'll have to have another inspection of the log book and try to decipher the illegible handwriting underneath the garage stamps.
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Changed the cam belt, water pump and pulleys today, only took 6 hours! this included many cups of tea and a good long headscratch of a lunch, but obviously having taken so long, it implies i had a small hand full of problems, first was the engine under-tray bolts that go into the subframe, the nuts had come loose from the subframe and so just turned without coming undone, i managed to get the left hand one off and just swung the tray out the way. I suspect i will have to grind off the right hand side nut if ever i need to completely remove the tray.

Next was the axillary belt tensioner, it's WAY too hard to get the belt off with just a normal spanner, i had the spanner digging sharply into my hand while exerting as much force as my pain threshold allowed, i feared gravely for my knuckles should the spanner slip. I managed to get the belt off using my torque wrench (i should invest in a breaker bar) but when the tensioner returned to it's unloaded position, it trapped the torque wrench between the wheel arch, and if i put it back under load, i couldn't safely get the socket off the nut either!

the last major headache was when i came to change the water pump, in my previous cam belt change for my old TD100, it was due to the injection pump needing to be replaced, and the water pump was in good shape, so it didn't get changed and so i never realised that it is trapped behind the cam shaft sprocket, and cannot be removed without taking said socket off, needless to say, i don't have the correct tool to do this. After much and stress i decided that it was lunchtime, so i sat down and had a sandwich and a cuppa tea. While supping away, i found a few images on google of a tool that looks like a chain oil filter remover, but with a cam belt attached instead, then in the same image search i came across a very recent blog when some fella had cut an old cam belt up, and clamped using mole grips. I copied the idea and eventually got the cam shaft sprocket off, from there it was pretty much plain sailing, just put everything back as it came off, a bit more fighting to get the aux belt back on, but got in the end.

all done now, i just need to go and buy, and use, some thread lock for the belt tensioner, as the new one didn't come with a new nut, change the coolant, old stuff was brown and yukky.

good for another few years!

coming soon, new anti roll bar drop links and tie rod ends, then rear brake lines and a complete brake fluid change. all parts were fitted new, less than 2 months ago to my old Marea.
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Re: Marea Weekend Saint Moritz JTD 110

Seems like a really good example and you know how to sort the niggles with your experience and spares collection!

As regards the tyres, I would keep it standard and just buy some decent rubber in the correct size, I never really understand why so many folks on the forum think they can improve on Fiat's design and specifications by fitting bigger things.

The silver looks great against that dark green, a really classy look that we probably won't see again...
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Oh yes, and a really good radiator flush with some additive will probably be worthwhile... I generally do 2 flushes with 1/2 a tin of stuff in each flushing mix. The stuff that comes out...
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i might have the radiator off, and get the hose pipe on the job if i get bored one day, but im not sure it's really nescessary to be honest, there was no gunk came out when i flushed the old stuff, and even after 30miles with some radiator cleaner and water, i still didn't have any gunk come out, so i think just the fluid change will do for now.

on the tyre subject, i just want to have an acurate speedo, i hate having to guess or use the GPS as my reference. This will have to wait as i have 4 good tyres for now, they might last another year at the front, so i'll have plenty of time to discuss and research the options.
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good to see her..!!,
my identical ('ish) 105 visited similar French Rural properties in our time together

Temp sensor.. dodgy wiring almost certainly,

Door pin..simple enough - hope it's not masking another issue

glad you connected to ECU ,
any sign of Cruise connectivity (MES can "activate" dash tacho symbol)

assuming yours IS that much better equipped - aerial looks different

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i got the radio working how i want this evening, a bluetooth adapter connected to the blue AUX IN plug to eliminate the alternator, and charger feedback that i got while having the phone plugged in directly to the cable, and also to eliminate wear and tear on the phones headphone socket. A home made phone holder from a scrap piece of 1mm steel, a 9 Amp, 4 port USB charger, and a bit of soldering on the radio circuit due to the plug i bought not having enough mini iso pins!

photos can be found on this thread in the guide section, no point uploading duplicates here.

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good to see her..!!,
my identical ('ish) 105 visited similar French Rural properties in our time together

Temp sensor.. dodgy wiring almost certainly,

Door pin..simple enough - hope it's not masking another issue

glad you connected to ECU ,
any sign of Cruise connectivity (MES can "activate" dash tacho symbol)

assuming yours IS that much better equipped - aerial looks different

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temp sensor, yes, it's clearly a wiring issue, i swapped over my old temp sensor from the old car, and it behaves exactly the same, i've also had the door cover off, and found that the loom has been butchered already, whoever did the work, did quite a good job in terms of it being soldered and heat shrink-wrapped instead of just taped up, and they put new glue backed cloth ribbon over the repairs too, but there are things that have been done which make no sense what so ever, i'll post photos next time i have time to take the cover off. To keep it simple, i think i shall just swap over my spare door loom, while i have spares, i see no interest in spending time deciphering why, how, and when, previous repairs were done.

door pin, still not got round to it, the door seems fine, i think it was just caught by the wind or some other such silliness, seeing as it's the passenger door, it hasn't annoyed me enough to make it to the top of the repairs list yet.

ECU, i haven't connected in a while, but last time i did, i had no luck in lighting up the cruise dash indicator, and i can't force enable the re-learn cruise enable option as i have only the free version of MES, and to click on the button, it tells me it's only available in the paid version.
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Oh yes, and a really good radiator flush with some additive will probably be worthwhile... I generally do 2 flushes with 1/2 a tin of stuff in each flushing mix. The stuff that comes out...
totally agree that flush is worth it.. I don't always use it when i change coolant but i did my bravo the other day and considering what was in it before i stuck flush in looked quite clean and i know its not really been in there longer than a few months - once the engine had been run with some flush in for a while what came out was not nice clean coolant - it looked more like milky tea.

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oh crap QUICK, don't let the Mrs see you used the pyrex!
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Not much has happened recently, i've been working long hours and the Mrs and kids have been keeping me busy the weekends, but i've decided to get my arse in gear and make an effort while the weather is good, to strip and empty the old donor car as much as possible before calling the scrapyard to have her shell taken away. I started with the wishbones, drop links, and track rod ends which were fitted new to the old car only a few months ago, and then fitted them to the new car today, the ones i took off were goosed! the knocking noise has gone, and the front end feels much more solid in general, but i still have some rubber to change, when pipping the accelerator, i still have a squeek and a bit of play, i feel the engine mounts all need changing, a job for when the subframe comes off i feel.

After lunch, i moved on to removing the old car's exhaust for refurb, and also took off the starter motor, bumper and headlights, i also started emptying the fuel tank, a tedious task when using a 5mm siphon tube into a 10 litre jerrycan. i did a good deal of crawling around to see what i could salvage from the underside, rear springs seem in better shape than the new car's, shocks look cleaner/newer although it's very hard to be sure,
future plans are, to remove and refurb the front subframe before swapping it into the new car, then refurbing the other one to put up for sale
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When i bought the car then aircon was empty, i had it filled but within a short period, I noticed that there was a green fluid next to the inlet for the radiator (photos 1,2,5&7), i had vague hopes that it was just condensed coolant which had stuck around since the timing belt change as it rinced off with water very easily, but as the aircon got weaker and weaker, and the liquid came back, i knew what was going on.
so a quick check online for a cheap radiator came in at 100euros, trying to save a few quid, as im off on holiday this month, i checked on Eper, and saw that the condenser is the same for pre and post facelift models. To remove the condenser, i found it's possible to remove, without having to drain and remove the coolant radiator, just pull out the lights and remove the bonnet catch cross memeber (photos 3&4). after that, off came the piece from the old Marea, but hesitation as it had oily traces and caked on dirt (photo 6). I fitted the piece anyway and took it to the French Halfords (Norauto) for the cheapest refil in town, and after making sure that they only refill after a leak test, they did the refill, so far so good, at worst i've wasted 50euros on a refill, and delayed shelling out 100 on a new condenser, but such is the way of things when the budget is tight.
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Not much been going on, had to get new tyres for the front, BF goodrich, nothing too fancy, and have just ben plodding to and from work. last week though i started having a slight problem with what i am sure is an EGR issue, hesitation after being at idle or decelerating, this is a problem when setting off from lights, and especially hill starts, i have stalled it more than a few times. The times it doesn't stall, or i'm going round a corner and have some momentum, i press the go pedal, but nearly nothing happens, a few seconds later, a shudder and it kicks back into life and i'm off again. during the last week it's been getting more and more frequent so today i too apart the whole EGR assembly and gave it a good clean. Plenty of carbon build-up everywhere, but that's to be expected, the problem seems to be in the solenoid, the spring loaded inlet valve moves freely and easily, but when testing the actuator in MES, it only works properly half the time, it sticks and wont budge, sometimes open, sometimes closed, so i hope that is the culprit. i put the whole thing back together again but left off the solenoid, effectively blanking the EGR system, i would prefer to have the car in full working order, and so will try and clean the solenoid assembly as best i can, but it is a sealed unit with no way to disassemble. Something else i found slightly concerning, was the oil on the underside of the air inlet pipe. I assume it's normal for the turbo to send *some* oil back into the intake, but enough to leak out and drip down the intake pipe? i'm not sure that's normal.

on a side not, i have started on a mission to change all my lights, as many as legally possible to LEDs, i started with my sidelights, and liked them, so i went and bought some more. for the poly ellipticals i have some 35watt HID xenons on the way, the main beams i have already put in some osram nightbreakers, first i tried in the diupped beams, but honestly i saw NO difference what-so-ever, then i tried in the full beams, and the difference is not great, certainly not 130% more light. but they are slightly whiter. compared to the bulbs i got in the supermarket for 5euros, i don't feel that the 15euro price is worth the money. still im not too fussed, i rarely use the full beams so it's no big deal.
I have an order on the way for 8 LED P21Ws for the whole of the rear end, and orange ones for the front indicators, i hope that they are as much of an improvement as the sidelights were.

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5: full beam with OSRAM Nightbreakers
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mine doesn't build revs (initially) as it shoud, and I get a "communication" error on occasions = STORED..I've never seen an engine warning..

Stilo section will be best place for JTD info..,

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