Panda (Classic) Snatch Panda

Ahahahahahahahah nice exhaust Andy !! :devil: :devil:

I would like to hear again the sound of Panda 16 valves

Ciao Ambassador Kestrel!

Grazie mille - The 16v Snatch is gradually sounding better and going faster, so when you next get in, you should notice a difference..

What else does it need in order to become a 'Snatch Panda Integrale'?

(That's using the translation "complete" not wishing to belittle any greatest of all time Lancias.)

Good morning Andy

First of all for a good "Panda Integrale" you need to come at the Panda-Day, here you can find the original one. :slayer: :slayer:

http://www.panda4x4.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13183

And then you need both turbo and volumetric compressor system.

andyholli said:

- Sorry, gallery link didn't work first time.

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Get an aerosol of Black satin plasticote it's amazing!!

JamieK said:

Get an aerosol of Black satin plasticote it's amazing!!

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That's a masking nightmare - not just the buttons but the writing saying what they do.. or did you mean paint everything else grey?

In anticipation of next weekend's fun, I refabricated the sumpguard to fit around the Bravo downpipe.

My question is what are the pro's and con's to adding a sheet of aluminium over the whole frame - acts as a sledge, gets full of mud, raises engine temp a bit. Versus - more complete protection?

What's your opinion, good idea or not?

Basically you pointed all pros and cons IMHO it is worth having alloy plate.

Good work! How about adding some extra struts in steel?

Yea. I prefer AndyPanda4x4 and aquamarine idea of extra struts.

I've been asked twice this week - 'Why's your car covered in mud?' and been able to reply - 'That's not mud, it's smelly stuff out of cows.'

But back to sump guard designs.. no sign of scratches anywhere after last weekend (just loads of gearbox oil as usual) so I think I'll leave it as it is until we get an idea of where to put more bars.

The afternoon narrow track last Sunday had a few concrete drainage channels across, that were easy to divert left of and tackle diagonally but it reminded me that in Italy the same type of concrete features were more difficult. - And one of them snagged my exhaust under the sill.
Maybe that's a more useful place to add extra protection to a 4x4. Rock sliders on the sills and something chunkier for the prop support bearings..

andyholli said:

I've been asked twice this week - 'Why's your car covered in mud?' and been able to reply - 'That's not mud, it's smelly stuff out of cows.'

But back to sump guard designs.. no sign of scratches anywhere after last weekend (just loads of gearbox oil as usual) so I think I'll leave it as it is until we get an idea of where to put more bars.

The afternoon narrow track last Sunday had a few concrete drainage channels across, that were easy to divert left of and tackle diagonally but it reminded me that in Italy the same type of concrete features were more difficult. - And one of them snagged my exhaust under the sill.
Maybe that's a more useful place to add extra protection to a 4x4. Rock sliders on the sills and something chunkier for the prop support bearings..

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I'm definitely going to be looking at some sort of prop shaft protection method. Removing the centre support bearings is a pain, definitely want to avoid that as much as possible in the future!

talon has not been washed yet.. looks awesome.. so many people keep telling me that it looks like i have been having fun in him >_<

it would be really awesome if the whole underside of the panda could be panelled..

Milestone today. They were very slow to process this and I was half expecting an argument but no - good enough, our friends at DVLA have aligned their database.



Everything correct.

Andy, is that engine number still as it was on the donor or you've punched your own one?

I took it from the Punto's V5, didn't check it on the engine but very confident that it had never been out as it all felt, looked and dismantled as factory built.

But thinking about it - the whole 'seperate identity mark' for engines and chassis seems completely out of date to me. Why are we registering them separately at all still?

Why do you ask J?

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Why do you ask?

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My question was "CAT" releated, do you have one?

if not, some over ambicious MOT tester might try to test the car for emisions acording to engine type/age/number not car first use date. Stamping your own number (Vmac style) removes any history.

Have you provided some support documetation ( write-ups, photos, FIRE engine details) or just filled the V5C and send it as normal details change?

I'm a bit CAT orientated recently as my cat less Subaru failed set MOT test as bribed tester changes his mine during the test!

My Black panda deserves more power to put some shame on those nasty drivers.

Ahh, I see what you're saying.

I don't have a CAT, as I understand it the test goes on the older of; the car or the engine so I don't think the engine's identity is interesting to the MOT men because why would anyone transplant an older engine..?
I didn't attempt anything underhand, although it would be easy to do so, just told the whole truth about what had been done.

The DVLA website was pretty clear about what documents they wanted to see - in this case I sent the receipt for purchase of the Punto, it's scrapyard printout, V5 and a covering note explaining what I had done. I didn't have anything from a garage saying the swap was roadworthy or beautifully executed, etc.. because I did it. But that didn't cause an issue for their paperwork.

I'm not a garage but still MOT a handful of vehicles each year. Gradually a relationship of trust and respect has developed between us over the years, that I value very highly. - They give me an advisory and I fix it. No nods and winks but an outcome we can all be happy with and I keep going back.

The Snatch was MOT'd last month and we discussed the engine swap briefly but they weren't really interested and didn't open the bonnet.

Makes you proud really, when you understand what our Italian friends have to put up with from officialdom.

kolza said:

I'm a bit CAT orientated recently as my cat less Subaru failed set MOT test as bribed tester changes his mine during the test!

My Black panda deserves more power to put some shame on those nasty drivers.

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You have my sympathy.

We ran a 2000 MY Impreza Wagon for a few years (and absolutely loved the thing to bits) but it was always marginal on emissions at MOT time. Even standard, they run so rich it's always going to be a challenge.

Ours wanted iridium plugs every 3K miles, 98 RON fuel (and lots of it) and had done 140K miles. It did have the standard exhaust and cat fitted.

- I think your black Panda needs a 16v engine..

Finally got my stuff together to attempt this brake swap:-



Disc diameter differences 227mm V 257mm



Pads similarly extended

The mounting plates have been redrilled to match the Punto caliper and those silver spacers made, to get the caliper to line up with the disc. - I hope..


More tomorrow once I've had a go at throwing it all together.