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Seicento The New Uno Turbo 1.4 Seicento :D

Introduction

Well thanks for reading so far... haha...


As a few of you may know, I've had and done a good few seicento conversions in the past and was intending to do my mk2 c20xe (Vauxhall 2ltr) but this time around converting it to turbo (low boost).... Anyhow... As with most things in life, circumstances changed and buying a house took over, so this project sadly seen the bin!

The house took up a massive part of the year, as it needed fully renovating to bring it up to scratch, including rewiring, plastering new kitchen and so fourth... Due to me being self employed as an electrician/plumber, I ended up taking 3 months off work and doing the lot myself....

3 months later it went from this....

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To this....

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We got the keys originally in January this year, and now things have changed yet again as we have just accepted an offer on the house, and currently going through the sale process for it lol!!

However it now means the house we have put an offer on is much newer, requires hardly any work and the best bit.... I finally have a GARAGE :D This is a first for me as im usually found outside in the rain and snow working on my cars....

So now you know why I have been soo quiet, and why my last project was thrown to one side!!

Anyhow, onto the car!! Ive been secretly waiting for my old 1.4 seicento turbo to come back online for sale, always joking that if it did then I would buy it to strip into parts as it had a fortune 'apparently' spent on it (think upwards of 18k)....

Very recently, I had a text off todger, with an ebay item number :p Thinking nothing of it i searched the number, and to my surprise the 1.4 seicento was on there for sale haha!! I rang todger and talked through whether or not it would be worthwhile to buy back, and we ended up making an offer to the guy for £650....

As the car had a gearbox problem (solidly stuck in gear), it needed to be trailered upto me from Kent to Warwickshire for the grand sum of £135....

Anyhow, it arrived, and to be fair I had forgot how bad it looked.... what an eyesore..

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As much as it looked bad when I owned it the last time, it has got progressively worse!... Its well known on the forum as a bit of a sl*g car due to the amount of owners it has had in its life....

It was apparently built by Wardy25 and his friend, with wardy paying for most of the work. From what I gather, there was a dispute of some sort between the two, and the car was never fully finished.. As you can see it wasn't mint, but it never used to look quite so bad...

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No idea how its got into the state that its in now lol, but its time for me to change that!!

The original car is way too gone to save, and to be fair as I point out later, the engine conversion itself hasn't originally been carried out too great... Such things as the main engine mount being welded to the thin bay metalwork, and not to anything structural resulting in the mount passing through the bodywork... How was this repaired?... with the aid of exhaust rubbers mashed in-between the body and engine supporting it in place lol.

Ive started stripping the car down.... and NOT to my surprise I've found loads of reasons why this car has never actually ran properly lol..

The engine bay... Upon inspection at this point, things just look messy, but nothing screams out at you...

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Then its time to uncover the electrics... (ignoring that the badly positioned stainless boost pipe work is arching out on the broken HT leads)..

All this lot was hidden in a plastic box in the engine bay....

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There are exposed connections all over the place in the engine loom, for example the coil... Soldiered, practically all pins touching...

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Relays

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Dizzy slam panel mod... (as you can see the boost pipe runs across the HT leads, and with the friction it has worn through two leads creating obvious problems).

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And then onto my favourite... The engine mounts....

With this beauty, it seems to have been welded to a single skin part of the car which has no under support as far as I can tell... The mount looks to have given way (well at least ripped the metal work apart)... and then fixed with perished exhaust rubbers... Im guessing by the look of the half width cambelt, the engine has dropped while running...

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We then have this other 'custom' mount on the gearbox side.... (there is one to the rear, but I haven't got a pic yet... I will however as that's a beauty too)...

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Other than the fact the wirings bad, the mounts are awful, its an eyesore, and the car is stuck in gear.. I think ive got a bargain... *rolls eyes*

The car is currently in this state, and im removing the salvageable parts off, to reclaim some money back and then put towards the rebuild & reshell...

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I'm intending to...

*Fully strip the engine and rebuild
*Buy a replacement gearbox, or recondition the one I have
*Re-shell into a better donor car
*Run the engine on Megasquirt
*Fit Coilovers to the new shell
*Install Full Poly Bush Kit
*UT Brake Upgrade
*Re design the engine mounts!!

I think the above is going to work out a fair bit, however I have openly admitted this car had a lot of problems in the past, so I am hoping to resolve these in the next shell to make it a more drivable car rather than something that's only good In a straight line.

The engine is due a rebuild (and apparently was in 2008), although after seeing how bad its been put together (wondering where the 18k was spent), I sadly don't believe a thing about the car and will be starting again from scratch!!!

The house move is due around November time, so I will be carrying out the bulk of the conversion then, although little bits will be done between now and then :p
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As for another small update... Its more of a bigger update....

Ive bought the donor car lol!!!

Its a 2003 Sei Sporting, in a more tasteful shade of red :D

I went over with todger to view as, as far as im concerned there is little he doesn't know about these cars... He picked the car apart, and found a few faults etc, but for the price we bought it for we couldn't complain! I did at one point laugh while watching todger take it for a Collin Mcrae test drive down a bumpy road to test out the bushes....

I left a deposit and am arranging insurance and tax to collect Monday/Tuesday... (still trying to work out why the tax is ridiculous for these things lol)...



 
Looks a great project ! are you going to still go with the digital dash idea?
 
Looks a great project ! are you going to still go with the digital dash idea?

Haha no not this time. Im going to see if I can get it to work with the original clocks as the uno gearbox has a digital take off by the looks of things.

I am however still going to be installing my wideband, but this should help a great deal when setting up the MS

Im going to try and keep the car as standard as possible, all bar coilovers and some nicer wheels
 
this is going to be a great project, i will be watching with interest as i've just bought sei abarth to use while i'm restoring my uno turbo.

your project is on practically the same lines i want to go down.
i have a spare uno turbo engine, gearbox even wiring loom that i'm going to dig out the shed.
good luck with this, i'm subscribing to this :D
 
this is going to be a great project, i will be watching with interest as i've just bought sei abarth to use while i'm restoring my uno turbo.

your project is on practically the same lines i want to go down.
i have a spare uno turbo engine, gearbox even wiring loom that i'm going to dig out the shed.
good luck with this, i'm subscribing to this :D

Sounds good matey, if that's the case il document how I get it all in (ie mounts etc) in a lot more detail with measurements and such like... (a mini guide to how ive done it lol)...

The conversion would be a good conversion if done right... A lot of people tend to say its a heavy engine in the seicento, but forget that the original UT only weighed in at 711–910 kg (curb weight) depending on specification, so its not that bad!

I think this car was a bad example though haha, as ive since found out the 'lowered suspension' is actually chopped lowering springs sat on bump stops, so would never handle around corners anyway!
 
Well I've had a good day so far...

Managed to source some brand new coil overs for the seicento for the tidy sum of £260 delivered...

Ive also sorted my insurance out for the Seicento.... Again with Sky insurance on a modified cover basis.

Insurance was £350.00 fully comp & protected NCB with the following declared;

1.4 Uno Turbo Engine
Coil overs
Brake Upgrade
Exhaust System
Tinted Glass

If anything else fancy is fitted I just update them as usual, cant recommend them enough in fairness!!

Looking to try and pick the car up late tonight, worse case tomorrow... So hopefully should have a few snaps to upload...
 
will be phoning them when it comes to renewal time :)

How does "on a modify" basis work?

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Sorry I meant on a modified policy.. They just insure you as any other car, and you give them details of what mods have been done. They then send out a cover note and modification report form which you fill out, sign and send back. You then get your full insurance certificate. If you then modify the car more throughout the policy, you can just call up and amend your cover. I've done this in the past, and a lot of things to my surprise didn't increase the policy, its just the major components that seem to change the quote.

The other bonus with them is that they 'mirror' your NCB from another vehicle if you have built up NCB on it.
 
What a great project! I know where your comming from with the house thing - my project luigi had to sit on the back burner for the best part of three years while I rebuilt my house. Ill be keeping a close eye on this project as I love seicentos (having owned one briefly once) keep up the good work! (y)

Haha thanks!! I didn't realise how much work goes into rebuilding a house, it seemed every job I completed, another 10 came up! Although this project is definitely being seen through, as this time round im more committed and bored of not having something to play with lol.
 
Sorry I meant on a modified policy.. They just insure you as any other car, and you give them details of what mods have been done. They then send out a cover note and modification report form which you fill out, sign and send back. You then get your full insurance certificate. If you then modify the car more throughout the policy, you can just call up and amend your cover. I've done this in the past, and a lot of things to my surprise didn't increase the policy, its just the major components that seem to change the quote.

The other bonus with them is that they 'mirror' your NCB from another vehicle if you have built up NCB on it.

Thanks for that :D!

Ming
 
I have to say that only FIRE based engines belongs to centos, horewer if you will do the same job as you house, I think all of us will be impressed :)

haha my last big seicento conversion was Vauxhall based... I seem to put anything bar the correct engine in (think I must have the Haynes manual upside down)

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According weight distribution I really think that best thing is fit FIRE engine into centos (T-JET for exp) or 1,4 16v. But why Vauxhaul or ancient 1,4T engine? I like this engine in Punto or Uno, but to cinquecento - it will never work as quite as original mounted engines (if we are talking about amateur driving or amateur fun racing). for Crazy enthusiasts, you got GSXR or hayabusa engine mounted in back :)))
 
According weight distribution I really think that best thing is fit FIRE engine into centos (T-JET for exp) or 1,4 16v. But why Vauxhaul or ancient 1,4T engine? I like this engine in Punto or Uno, but to cinquecento - it will never work as quite as original mounted engines (if we are talking about amateur driving or amateur fun racing). for Crazy enthusiasts, you got GSXR or hayabusa engine mounted in back :)))

haha this debate again....more to the question why not?

The Vauxhall engine was just done for a laugh, and because at that point I had never seen it done... It has been done since, and is actually a good conversion, just not worth the work as its a LOT to get it in, and wastes a lot of £££...

The Uno Turbo is NOT a really heavy engine... Its an iron block, with alloy head like most engines, then obviously the added weight of the turbo, extra sensors etc... Its a known strong engine, and as for it being 'ancient' its only as old as the PUNTO GT, as 99% is interchangeable.

I do respect your comments and only explaining why I like doing things out of the box compared with your usual 1.2 16v conversions (which I have done a few of)... I enjoy the challenge initially, and the learning curve trying to get things to fit that shouldn't. I find that the most negative people are those that are too scared to have a go themselves, or only follow what everyone else has done. Which isn't a bad thing, just I prefer personally to be different.

The 'ancient' engine is not going to be run on 'ancient' separate fuel & spark ecus as it originally would have, as I am going down the megasquirt route which isn't documented online for the engine, nor are there any base maps... Again, I know nothing about megasquirt, and am looking forward to this as a massive learning curve..

With regards to weight, its a fair point, however take a look at curb figure's of the uno turbo, next to a current production fiat 500 which has a similar chassis to my seicento....

Uno Turbo Curb Weight - 711–910 kg
Fiat 500 Curb Weight 865–980 kg

It gives you a rough indication that the uno isn't such a heavy engine for a small car... Also weight distribution on the 500 will be similar, so can be a comparable argument.

My car will have a battery relocation to the boot (as it wont fit in the bay) and the suspension has been ordered with a rating of (front load: 610kg rear load: 630kg) which is more than enough to hold the engine....

If the car was designed for Formula 1 then I would grant you a valid point on the weight distribution, however the car is for the road, and I don't want to calculate the weight distribution every time I have a passenger that weighs more or less than the previous (god forbid they bring any luggage with them lol)....
 
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It'll certainly provide the best bang for buck for a FWD Cinq.

Folk have got nearly 400bhp out of the Punto GT engine (essentially the same lump). That's just not going to happen with a FIRE lump.

Thanks :p

I was meaning to ask you actually as I remember your a dab hand with an MR2...

Im weighing up intercooler options, looking for an intercooler which has the in and out on the same side, but ideally top & bottom.... I stumbled on an MR2 one, which looks ideal, but have never seen one in real life.... I was wondering with your experience do you think one would possibly fit in the red square section (pipes vertically, one above the other)?

Im looking at relocating the oil cooler to the green square, and then im left with the red area to find something decent that fits haha :D

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Hmmmm if a vauxhall lump will fit, how about a coupe 5 pot? :rolleyes:

Haha stupid as it sounds I did look into that, but wouldn't be possible unless you were to cut the front off completely and space frame it all, extending outwards and sidewards, wider track etc....

To be honest going by todgers coupe, it hardly fits in that lol
 
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