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Re: SEAT Marbella (Mk1 Panda replica)
My Panda was a 85 C reg with 903cc 45hp engine with 4 speed gearbox and 2 wheel drive. Panda 45CL
Don't have any pics as far as I know but will look. It was a total nail and disintegrated around me but I loved it, it was so much fun to drive and so easy, It got through really heavy snow and never got stuck once.
Was my first car, replaced with a Yugo 45. Also 903 45hp 4 speed.
My Panda was a 85 C reg with 903cc 45hp engine with 4 speed gearbox and 2 wheel drive. Panda 45CL
Don't have any pics as far as I know but will look. It was a total nail and disintegrated around me but I loved it, it was so much fun to drive and so easy, It got through really heavy snow and never got stuck once.
Was my first car, replaced with a Yugo 45. Also 903 45hp 4 speed.
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Garaged low mileage mk1's are the only ones still around unfortunately. Except my first car the green mk1 4x4 which has had a stubborn owner rescuing it regularly!!
I like the 903 engine, revs nicely and is quite robust. But I dont think I could live with its performace for too long. Amazing how quick the 4x4 felt when went back to it!! And thats only 48hp out of the 965cc. Bit more torque I guess.
Anyway, I hope you find your daugher a good example. My friends all loved the car after getting a ride in it. They thought it was suprisingly nippy, (must've had very low expectations tbh lol).
Cheers,
Si
Garaged low mileage mk1's are the only ones still around unfortunately. Except my first car the green mk1 4x4 which has had a stubborn owner rescuing it regularly!!
I like the 903 engine, revs nicely and is quite robust. But I dont think I could live with its performace for too long. Amazing how quick the 4x4 felt when went back to it!! And thats only 48hp out of the 965cc. Bit more torque I guess.
Anyway, I hope you find your daugher a good example. My friends all loved the car after getting a ride in it. They thought it was suprisingly nippy, (must've had very low expectations tbh lol).
Cheers,
Si
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You guys do not know how lucky you are! I have an 843cc Marbella!
I just spent some money on new sills. But 2 years ago and the car was perfect- My only conclusion is that it was not looked after and could have sat somewhere rotten. Anyway, once you have the rust replaced it lasts for some good years i should think. It got to 20 years without failing an MOT for anything serious like rust before. I think this is the only welding which had been done to the car.
Anyway, finding trivial part's are like banging your head on a brick wall. However. I personally prefer the look of the Marbella. The engine I think is very sturdy, and is an economical car for students-however, they would not be seen dead in one..
Down to personal opinion. If you like a car, go for it however, luxuries such as trim will get rarer and rarer as time goes by, especially as VW no longer recognise the Marbella and as such some parts like trim may not be available unless baught from Spain. This is such the issue I am having at current.
@pandimonious_maximouse- Do you have a SEAT Marbella catologue? One with parts and such in? If I had one of those it wouldn't be so hard finding parts.
You guys do not know how lucky you are! I have an 843cc Marbella!
I just spent some money on new sills. But 2 years ago and the car was perfect- My only conclusion is that it was not looked after and could have sat somewhere rotten. Anyway, once you have the rust replaced it lasts for some good years i should think. It got to 20 years without failing an MOT for anything serious like rust before. I think this is the only welding which had been done to the car.
Anyway, finding trivial part's are like banging your head on a brick wall. However. I personally prefer the look of the Marbella. The engine I think is very sturdy, and is an economical car for students-however, they would not be seen dead in one..
Down to personal opinion. If you like a car, go for it however, luxuries such as trim will get rarer and rarer as time goes by, especially as VW no longer recognise the Marbella and as such some parts like trim may not be available unless baught from Spain. This is such the issue I am having at current.
@pandimonious_maximouse- Do you have a SEAT Marbella catologue? One with parts and such in? If I had one of those it wouldn't be so hard finding parts.
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I am afraid not, wish I had too but can find most stuff using fiat. But as you say, no good for the trim etc.
Si
I am afraid not, wish I had too but can find most stuff using fiat. But as you say, no good for the trim etc.
Si
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Well, things are really kicking up a gear now...
I have re-formed the Y10 bracket and welded together a bracket of my own to adapt it to marbella.
I could only use one of the bolts holes at the bottom of the bracket due to access problems but its got extra strength now from the new bracket so this should be ok..... I hope! I managed to get a wing nut inside the box section below it (you can see the wire i used to get it in coming out the hole below)...
Here is the new bracket I made all painted up real nice like
.......
Poor welding I know, I ran out of gas before finishing but think its strong enough. Now all bolted down through the inner wing, with lots of rust protection where I have drilled new holes!!
As I lowered the engine down onto its new mounts for the first time I remembered where I had supported the car!!....Fronts a bit heavier, bit like a sea saw with a fat kid on one end and a midget on the other!....
Its in!!.....
So now its time to think about packaging the engine ancillaries!! I like this part, although I am stumped. The original small rad (see photo below for its mounts) cannot fit here due to the manifold interferning. Bit of a bummer so I am squeezing the lancia Y10 rad in in front of the front slam panel and behind the grill....
Last minute thought for the day was the intercooler position. On the Y10 it was in the arch and covered in mud from the road...so I want to avoid that if possible. I noticed the marbella bonnet vent extends past the car heater box so if I removed this blanked off section could the intercooler go here I wonder......
Any thoughts welcome, its scheming time now!! :devil::devil::slayer::slayer::slayer:
Cheers,
Si
Well, things are really kicking up a gear now...
I have re-formed the Y10 bracket and welded together a bracket of my own to adapt it to marbella.
I could only use one of the bolts holes at the bottom of the bracket due to access problems but its got extra strength now from the new bracket so this should be ok..... I hope! I managed to get a wing nut inside the box section below it (you can see the wire i used to get it in coming out the hole below)...
Here is the new bracket I made all painted up real nice like
.......
Poor welding I know
, I ran out of gas before finishing but think its strong enough. Now all bolted down through the inner wing, with lots of rust protection where I have drilled new holes!!
As I lowered the engine down onto its new mounts for the first time I remembered where I had supported the car!!....Fronts a bit heavier, bit like a sea saw with a fat kid on one end and a midget on the other!....
Its in!!.....
So now its time to think about packaging the engine ancillaries!! I like this part, although I am stumped. The original small rad (see photo below for its mounts) cannot fit here due to the manifold interferning. Bit of a bummer so I am squeezing the lancia Y10 rad in in front of the front slam panel and behind the grill....
Last minute thought for the day was the intercooler position. On the Y10 it was in the arch and covered in mud from the road...so I want to avoid that if possible. I noticed the marbella bonnet vent extends past the car heater box so if I removed this blanked off section could the intercooler go here I wonder......
Any thoughts welcome, its scheming time now!! :devil::devil::slayer::slayer::slayer:
Cheers,
Si
madrat
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Re: SEAT Marbella (Mk1 Panda replica)
I would put a bonnet scoop on if you put it there and possibly a bit of ducting to make sure the incoming air covers the entire inter-cooler.
I would put a bonnet scoop on if you put it there and possibly a bit of ducting to make sure the incoming air covers the entire inter-cooler.
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I thought about that, but my dad has had trouble with a scoop in the same place as the engine bay gets pressurised so little air actually passes through the intercooler rad when you try to scoop more air down. My thinking is to take ducting from the front of the car up to intercooler box and leave the bonnet flat vented. This should pull air out aswell as ram air in (same effect as if you blow across a test tube with a ball inside. The ball is sucked out due to the low pressure of the fast moving air.
Actually thnking about it I could use a scoop if used ducting to a low pressure region maybe under the car and the intercooler was quite well sealed from engine bay. Or perhaps I am over thinking it all.
This is just one idea so far though, I could also put it behind the bumper (there is a good vent that scoops air up to the rad on the marbella bumper just under the number plate.
Thanks for your thoughts, given me things to think about. And its good to hear your thinking along the same lines as me!
Si
I thought about that, but my dad has had trouble with a scoop in the same place as the engine bay gets pressurised so little air actually passes through the intercooler rad when you try to scoop more air down. My thinking is to take ducting from the front of the car up to intercooler box and leave the bonnet flat vented. This should pull air out aswell as ram air in (same effect as if you blow across a test tube with a ball inside. The ball is sucked out due to the low pressure of the fast moving air.
Actually thnking about it I could use a scoop if used ducting to a low pressure region maybe under the car and the intercooler was quite well sealed from engine bay. Or perhaps I am over thinking it all.
This is just one idea so far though, I could also put it behind the bumper (there is a good vent that scoops air up to the rad on the marbella bumper just under the number plate.
Thanks for your thoughts, given me things to think about. And its good to hear your thinking along the same lines as me!
Si
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Lots still to sort out there Si, but it sounds like you're enjoying it, and you had a bit of sunshine! Watching with even greater interest now.
Lots still to sort out there Si, but it sounds like you're enjoying it, and you had a bit of sunshine! Watching with even greater interest now.
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The IC would be better mounted at the front imo. you dont want anything behind it restricting airflow, plus you want a nice cold feed. Is the no any room where to original marbella rad was? or is that behind where the new one will be?
The IC would be better mounted at the front imo. you dont want anything behind it restricting airflow, plus you want a nice cold feed. Is the no any room where to original marbella rad was? or is that behind where the new one will be?
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Tell me about it, you turn one big long sweeping corner that is the engine mounts and find a billion chicanes lying ahead! Mmmmm chicanes, I hope I can make those enjoyable in this :devil:
Agreed, hoping for a front mount...much less ducting and better cooling too. Similar location for the oil cooler too if possible. But that may have to go in the arch like the Y10 (oil cooler was inside one arch and intercooler in the other).
Also, where the marbella rad is will be behind the rad so not much good My dad's scirocco has the intercooler right in front of the rad and he has over heating probs...defo something I wish to avoid. With all these rads hanging off the front though....going to be a nightmare if I have a front ender in it!
Decisions decisions :slayer:
Thanks for all your thoughts guys!!
Si
Lots still to sort out there Si, but it sounds like you're enjoying it, and you had a bit of sunshine! Watching with even greater interest now.
Tell me about it, you turn one big long sweeping corner that is the engine mounts and find a billion chicanes lying ahead! Mmmmm chicanes, I hope I can make those enjoyable in this :devil:
CLXCraig said:
Agreed, hoping for a front mount...much less ducting and better cooling too. Similar location for the oil cooler too if possible. But that may have to go in the arch like the Y10 (oil cooler was inside one arch and intercooler in the other).
Also, where the marbella rad is will be behind the rad so not much good
My dad's scirocco has the intercooler right in front of the rad and he has over heating probs...defo something I wish to avoid. With all these rads hanging off the front though....going to be a nightmare if I have a front ender in it! Decisions decisions :slayer:
Thanks for all your thoughts guys!!
Si
Re: SEAT Marbella (Mk1 Panda replica)
903cc have full width radiator or half width?
903cc have full width radiator or half width?
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They have the half width too. Only the FIRE's have a full lenght rad. Doesnt matter though seeing as they seem to overcool if anything even with the smaller rad. The y10 turbo though may be a different matter!
Si
They have the half width too. Only the FIRE's have a full lenght rad. Doesnt matter though seeing as they seem to overcool if anything even with the smaller rad. The y10 turbo though may be a different matter!
Si
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UH OH!! I have hit a snag, the alternator is designed to go where the brake servo is I was thinking there was enough room but it seems the engine sits higher than I was expecting. On the fire pandas the servo is on the right and same goes for the Y10.
Here is the engine in the Y10:
I have 2 options:
1. Find a smaller alternator, and make some brackets up to fit it (prefered). This will involve finding an alternator belt the right size from some other car.
2. Fit the later servo assist units from a fire panda to the marbella. Do not like this option as its more than likely going to be a pain to fit, and something major has probably changed between mk1 (marbella) and mk2 panda. There's certainly no hole on the right hand side!!
Thoughts anyone? Also, if anyone knows of a car with a particularly small alternator I could use :devil::slayer:....
Cheers,
Si
UH OH!! I have hit a snag, the alternator is designed to go where the brake servo is
I was thinking there was enough room but it seems the engine sits higher than I was expecting. On the fire pandas the servo is on the right and same goes for the Y10.
Here is the engine in the Y10:
I have 2 options:
1. Find a smaller alternator, and make some brackets up to fit it (prefered). This will involve finding an alternator belt the right size from some other car.
2. Fit the later servo assist units from a fire panda to the marbella. Do not like this option as its more than likely going to be a pain to fit, and something major has probably changed between mk1 (marbella) and mk2 panda. There's certainly no hole on the right hand side!!
Thoughts anyone? Also, if anyone knows of a car with a particularly small alternator I could use :devil::slayer:....
Cheers,
Si
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Well I think I have a solution, but it is all dependant on how much the engine moves when you give it some beans!!
Using a much smaller 33 amp SEAT Yugo alternator and some home adapted mounts there is at least some clearance but this is going to be hard to fit the belt to as there is little variation possible in the position of the alternator.
Begining to think that a fire panda would have been a much better idea! Oh well, enjoying the challenge!.....
Hmmm, still worried but will see how it goes finding a suitable belt now. Just a case of comparing an unstretched y10 turbo belt to the next possible size down. Then remembering the car it goes on for future!
Si
Well I think I have a solution, but it is all dependant on how much the engine moves when you give it some beans!!
Using a much smaller 33 amp SEAT Yugo alternator and some home adapted mounts there is at least some clearance but this is going to be hard to fit the belt to as there is little variation possible in the position of the alternator.
Begining to think that a fire panda would have been a much better idea!
Oh well, enjoying the challenge!.....
Hmmm, still worried but will see how it goes finding a suitable belt now. Just a case of comparing an unstretched y10 turbo belt to the next possible size down. Then remembering the car it goes on for future!
Si
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Hope this solution works for you, but if not, an alternator from an old Honda or at least something Japanese may be a good bet as they tend to be small. I say old because you need the V pulley of course.
Now if this transplant was easy everyone would be doing it, and that wouldn't do would it!
Hope this solution works for you, but if not, an alternator from an old Honda or at least something Japanese may be a good bet as they tend to be small. I say old because you need the V pulley of course.
Now if this transplant was easy everyone would be doing it, and that wouldn't do would it!
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well there'd still be the problem of finding one of the other three remaining Y10 turbo engines out there (rough estimate)Now if this transplant was easy everyone would be doing it, and that wouldn't do would it!
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for the sake of finding a y10 turbo it would be easier cheaper to do a 1242 turbo conversion. still bloody expensive!
for the sake of finding a y10 turbo it would be easier cheaper to do a 1242 turbo conversion. still bloody expensive!
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yeah, I sometimes wonder if I just crave problems....:devil: I guess thats what makes me an engineer. Although I seem to do more engineering at home than at work!! lol.
Working out cheap so far, although I have not bought suspension yet, but that will probably be the most expensive thing (ignoring the roll cage for the moment until I find out more info). And agreed FC, I didnt realise how rare stuff was for this engine!! WHAT THE HELL HAVE I GONE DONE NOW!! As if mk1's were'nt ebough challenge!!
Si
Si
Hope this solution works for you, but if not, an alternator from an old Honda or at least something Japanese may be a good bet as they tend to be small. I say old because you need the V pulley of course.
Now if this transplant was easy everyone would be doing it, and that wouldn't do would it!
yeah, I sometimes wonder if I just crave problems....:devil: I guess thats what makes me an engineer. Although I seem to do more engineering at home than at work!! lol.
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CLXCraig said:
Working out cheap so far, although I have not bought suspension yet, but that will probably be the most expensive thing (ignoring the roll cage for the moment until I find out more info). And agreed FC, I didnt realise how rare stuff was for this engine!! WHAT THE HELL HAVE I GONE DONE NOW!! As if mk1's were'nt ebough challenge!!
Si
Si
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Well, I hope ya'll are making most of the sun. Still bloody cold though
I have failed on installing the alternator for the moment and having done a bit of research now ordered the smallest car alternator around a denso 40 amp. (should have gone with it in the first place ay damon!).
Anyway, while I wait for that to arrive I am having a go at the various cooling systems. Have found the following to look the most promising, but welcome second opinions:
Going to be a bit of a squeeze, and depends if I can buy the right pipes!!
The radiator gets a bit close to the turbo etc so not sure if there may be problems here:
I think the intercooler will get better flow at the gearbox side:
Also, by moving the number plate down and mounting it at an angle air will be scooped up into the intercooler box. I can also fit a mesh grill where the number plate was. Black so its less noticable but it will still scream modified to members of the public. Was hoping to keep the marbella charm as much as possible.
Any thoughts on these ideas? Best to plan twice and build once I think! :slayer:
Cheers,
Si
Well, I hope ya'll are making most of the sun. Still bloody cold though
I have failed on installing the alternator for the moment and having done a bit of research now ordered the smallest car alternator around a denso 40 amp. (should have gone with it in the first place ay damon!
). Anyway, while I wait for that to arrive I am having a go at the various cooling systems. Have found the following to look the most promising, but welcome second opinions:
Going to be a bit of a squeeze, and depends if I can buy the right pipes!!
The radiator gets a bit close to the turbo etc so not sure if there may be problems here:
I think the intercooler will get better flow at the gearbox side:
Also, by moving the number plate down and mounting it at an angle air will be scooped up into the intercooler box. I can also fit a mesh grill where the number plate was. Black so its less noticable but it will still scream modified to members of the public. Was hoping to keep the marbella charm as much as possible.
Any thoughts on these ideas? Best to plan twice and build once I think! :slayer:
Cheers,
Si
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Would it be legal if you painted the reg. no. onto the mesh?
Would it be legal if you painted the reg. no. onto the mesh?
