I've got to say that if the main reason people buy scoobies is because of their rally heritage, then why aren't they buying the rally like cars that ARE ACTUALLY GOOD ON TARMAC, since most of britains roads are made of the stuff


e.g. 2002-04 citroen xsara, and 03-04 focus. THEY were good on tarmac, the scoobies tend'd to excel on gravel caked with mud, and just plain mud (hence why scoobies regulary won the british wrc event, as its just pure mud:devil: ).

although, just searched on tarmac monster and got this





obviously the general public like driving large 4wd trucks with weird engine configurations:yuck:

faster4_tec said:

I've got to say that if the main reason people buy scoobies is because of their rally heritage, then why aren't they buying the rally like cars that ARE ACTUALLY GOOD ON TARMAC, since most of britains roads are made of the stuff


e.g. 2002-04 citroen xsara, and 03-04 focus. THEY were good on tarmac, the scoobies tend'd to excel on gravel caked with mud, and just plain mud (hence why scoobies regulary won the british wrc event, as its just pure mud:devil: ).

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are they anything like their WRC counterparts?

4wd? nope

trick mechanics? nadda

heck you give the Xsara as a comparison thats nothing like the WRC car

and the Focus is even worse!

it doesnt even use the same engine as thieir supposed the sports model! the St uses a compleatly different engine (a 5 pot instead of the 4 pot in the wrc car, see here http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/focus_wrc.asp) thats why people dont buy them, as they arnt road tuned rally cars in the slightest.

ill give you the Focus RS was quite good, but they didnt make lots of them, where as the Impreza has been about for yonks, and the evo for even longer, making them cheaper to buy

its not what it comes like as std, its what its like when you've made it into a tarmac terra

we had a P reg impreza wagon years back, wasn't an sti, it was a wrx I think, either way it was about 205bhp, and awd, and in all honesty, pretty lame.
it didn't exactly handle as sharply as people are lead to expect, just kind of drove like a big awd estate car with a bit of grunt (~200lb.ft doesn't go far with an awd system that weighs the best part of 400kilo's ), it would understeer like the best of them, and in the wet it was a joke, was like it wanted to run wide on every corner and aquaplane for no good reason.

the newer ones are probably better, but from our experiance of *that*, we sold it and got....... A subura legacy impreza (very early GT, basically what mcrae spent most of his 1995 season in, as the impreza wasn't fully finished, so they bolted its internals and trick diffs and mod'd engine into a legacy!!!!).
NOW THAT was fair quick (2.5 quad cam turbo AWD, and it was a saloon, which helped), and handled like it should (this car was on an L plate).
Apparently there were onlya few hundred of these ever in the UK, and very few proper british ones, the majority are imported from japan.

at least the best car was in front.

jug said:

at least the best car was in front.

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Toyota?

Just thought I'd add this video here to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2NEfUW6bo8

LOL @ 2nd vid!

Also to say the original video was shot on a road near where I come from (A246) - I used to use it quite frequently, and went the other way yesterday.

shouldn't have used those wheel bolts

Thats happened to me lol dodgy car salesman and me knowing nothing about bolts, was gr8 to see my wheel bouncing down the hill whilst my little car sat lopsided by the kerb

susiejay said:

Thats happened to me lol dodgy car salesman and me knowing nothing about bolts, was gr8 to see my wheel bouncing down the hill whilst my little car sat lopsided by the kerb

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i hope you got some compensation?

Dunc Uno Turbo said:

seen that vid before, theres only one top car there, and its by far the best. the cossie. im 10 years time, the cossie will still be worth 10k+ where as the boring scoobs will be worth jack all.

cant wait to get a escort cossie, they are the foooking bomb!

Dunc

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Yeah, give me a Cossie (escort or sierra) over any Subaru everytime

beastyjay said:

evo 6 tommi edition thank you very much

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:yeahthat:

Although Cossie's are the best looker's :yum:

for anyone who has driven one,are escort cossies any good?
now may seem obvious but i mean does the chassis take the power,handle well etc? excepting the mass of ponys under the bonnet

My stepdad drove a 380BHP sierra cosworth 4WD and told me it handled scarily well but ate tyres and was too fast, it was the ex-boss at works car and he let any of the company drive it to meetings and the like

custard said:

for anyone who has driven one,are escort cossies any good?
now may seem obvious but i mean does the chassis take the power,handle well etc? excepting the mass of ponys under the bonnet

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i drove a small turbo model for about 10 minutes, but i've been out in a few of them to see what they're made of.

the cossie chassis (3dr sierra really NOT a mkV escort) is excellent to start off with, not a lot of "non-ford" peeps think that, but it is, definately much better than the bravo chassis, and even with the cossie's power you know it could easily put out a lot more bhp and still be easy to drive hard.

i've driven scoobys, including a heavily modded 400bhp+ one, and tbh i still prefer the escort, it was easier to chuck about and less twitchy on B roads. although most reviews would suggest the opposite. then again most reviews would suggest fiats are crap and we all know how accurate that is.

i still prefer a series1 rs turbo, but thats probably because i havent driven one yet. i'm scared to in case it ruins the fantasy.

as long as it has a blue oval and a turbo i'm happy

actually maybe i was wrong about the reviews, i thought i'd find one to slate and rip apart but here's a damn good one from yahoo.

http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/car-reviews/car-and-driving/ford-escort-rs-cosworth-2003497.html

They are a damn good chassis, there's a mauritian (IIRC) cossie running 600BHP on standard suspension

Of course, I can think of a 4wd turbo that i'd have over anything http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OltB97ofWOg

most cossies are tuned to stage 1 or 2 already, giving 300-400bhp. and you can get away with very few mods and still achieve reliability and driveability at that power. which is amazing really.

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Of course, I can think of a 4wd turbo that i'd have over anything http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OltB97ofWOg

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well obviously an intergrale easily beats them all :slayer:

if only they made RHD ones.