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This should be an interesting one. I'd love to cycle more but I get the feeling 99% of people driving hate me when I do...

All you guys are pretty reasonable and smart on here. Quite interested in what you think of cyclists on your motoring journeys.. be honest, if you hate em say it. If not say it.

Genuinely interested in the consensus
 
I drive in Cambridge a lot.... they can be a total pain in the arse and reckless and irresponsible, then again they can also be fine, what ever the case I give them all a wide birth and hope that other follow me.

There are a select group of cyclists who think they are indestructible, own the road and feel it's their god given gift to make sure everyone knows it.

I had a guy shout at me the other day for walking across the road, he was miles away from me there was nothing else on the road and he felt he had to shout "you wouldn't F@cking do that if I was a car would you"

Well yes I would because I had plenty of time and space to cross. ... numpty
 
I pretty much hate them.

For the reasons mentioned and the general irresponsibility they usually demonstrate. I drive at night, and this reveals a whole new group of bicycling persons who, for the sake of the planet, really should not breed.

There. I hope that was sufficiently succinct.
 
Most are not a problem for me.

However, some are just plain dangerous (to themselves and others). These ones tend to give all cyclists a bad name.

And some are a road rage incident waiting to happen... they tend to be the ones who loudly offer you driving advice as they hit your wing mirror, cause you to make an emergency stop or jump traffic lights just as yours turn green...

Still, it's basically the same with all road user groups. Just that cyclists don't have license plates so much harder to give tickets.
 
Ah yes, everyone has a story regarding cyclists have they not? Anyone who cycles & a car user like myself will fall into the category of when cycling...bloody motorists, or when behind the wheel...bloody cyclists.....;)
Postcode lottery plays a big part here. I certainly would not be cycling in the major big cities that's for sure, far too dangerous. Here in the Highlands is pretty safe & not too congested. No question about it, there are some stupid cyclists out there, BUT there are also some very dangerous motorists out there also. Personally I come across many more numpty/selfish/bad drivers than pushbike plonkers.

On a serious note cycling is healthy/cheap & in some instances you can get to your destination quicker & no parking worries. At my age I'm not in the saddle as much these days for various reasons other than being an old git..:devil: Most cyclists I come across really do not want the aggravation of arguments with vehicle drivers, obviously there are times when the two collide both physically & verbally, but that's human nature for you. Most who are car drivers only tend to react aggressively if they feel...how dare this cycling idiot hold me up & get in my way!!!!;)

Motorist/cyclist/pedestrian, are at best, good, bad, or indifferent, & all have a story to tell.........:rolleyes: Happy trails to you all, & stay safe..:)
 
Reasonable enough so far!

Tbh I joined a cycling forum expecting the same sort of good advice / chat we have here on Fiat Forum but I found the opposite. As much as I'm all for cycling 110%, I have to admit, I found they were 99% arrogant, negative and biased people who are very interested in treating motorists like bait for their helmet cameras! I thought to myself, "this is why there's a bad rep". Needless to say, not much good discussion or tips on there!

But other than that I'm desperately trying to kurb driving for the bike personally due to where I live etc to save money and keep fit. As much as I love the Panda I sort of begrudge the financial commitment and risks of owning a car.. you know, losing sleep over dents etc. Particularly down the line when I would buy a new one. If I can avoid it, I'll try!!

I think it'd be a great world where most people cycled - safely - unobtrusively when possible. Obviously some people need to get up and down the country everyday so it'll never work for them, but I see so many big 4x4s doing the same 6 mile journey in and out of town 7 days a week that I do!

So I'm a bit of an advocate but also a sceptic of the reality of the type of people we have out there! Same with cars, as mentioned, some good some bad.

Curious to hear more people's thoughts!
 
Cyclists no problem with. Good on 'em, I sure as hell couldn't pedal my scrawny legs long enough to get anywhere at any reasonable pace.

The ones I have an issue with are the ones who think they own the road. It's the ones who down a lane wide enough to pass (knowing full well you won't try for fear of hitting their stupid rippling flabsacks), will ride two or three abreast, with no intention of even thinking of letting you past, as they dawdle along a 60mph zone at 15. It's the ones who cut red lights, ride across crossings without looking, or the ones that arrive en masse insist on doing laps between two roundabouts on a dodgy enough bit of dual carriageway as it is. One ran a red light/zebra crossing dealy, nearly hit a group of young girls crossing as traffic stopped, and when my mum shouted to tell him, he spat at her, and spat all down the car. ****ing disgusting.

No worse than motorists in the grand scheme of things, but my general experience is the ones mentioned just seem to be so much more arrogant. Although still probably no worse than the school run parents in their crossover SUV's who think just because their car is bigger than your Fiat they can force you to reverse.

Try again. I've nowhere to be.



EDIT: Also, I couldn't cycle to work - too far, and I don't think clients would be thrilled to see me sweating through my clothes haha!
 
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There are some cyclists that behave well. And don't get remembered.
Then there are lots that annoy by their actions, and we remember them. This leads to believing them all to be bad.
For me the worst issue is variable speeds. If their speed is fairly constant, whatever that is, I can deal with it. If it is rising and falling, following them waiting for a safe overtake opportunity becomes difficult, so annoying.
Recently I caught up with a woman on a busy 50mph road in the afternoon peak time. She was pedalling furiously for about 10-15 pumps, then relaxing, and repeating this. Thsi caused her speed to rise to about 27mph, then fall to 5mph, then back up to 27..etc. Incredibly difficult to follow. The five cars ahead of me struggled, then each pushed past very close to her against the oncoming traffic. As they were very close to her, she got angry, and steadily angrier as each one passed. She was unaware that her actions were the cause.

So my advice, try to keep a steady speed. Uphill, we expect the speed to fall, but try again to choose a speed you can maintain up the hill.
 
In Norfolk we do get the occasional elderly farmer type on a classic old fashioned push bike travelling at such a slow speed it seems to defy physics. They aren't annoying or dangerous. I just don't understand how they stay upright without wobbling with so little forward motion.
I know I can't.
 
In Norfolk we do get the occasional elderly farmer type on a classic old fashioned push bike travelling at such a slow speed it seems to defy physics.


A couple of years ago in south Norfolk I followed a guy on a penny farthing, I think the picture is still somewhere on this forum....
 
Times have changed & it's just too easy to air your chosen views on just about anything on social sites/forums, hiding behind the keyboard & tapping away can lead to some getting carried away in all sorts of ways. I tend to take a holistic view & try to see/understand all angles, but there are times when common sense is just thrown out the window. Most on here tend not to get carried away...:D

The main problem with a discussion of some interest & there are going to be differences of opinions, is the fact that "some" do take things personally & this is where things can get interesting for want of a better expression. I'm not saying that is happening here, but as SB has discovered all is not well in the cycling world for some..:devil:

I would be very interested to hear from a dedicated car driver to take to the saddle for a while & report back on their findings.
 
Times have changed & it's just too easy to air your chosen views on just about anything on social sites/forums, hiding behind the keyboard & tapping away can lead to some getting carried away in all sorts of ways. I tend to take a holistic view & try to see/understand all angles, but there are times when common sense is just thrown out the window. Most on here tend not to get carried away...:D



The main problem with a discussion of some interest & there are going to be differences of opinions, is the fact that "some" do take things personally & this is where things can get interesting for want of a better expression. I'm not saying that is happening here, but as SB has discovered all is not well in the cycling world for some..:devil:



I would be very interested to hear from a dedicated car driver to take to the saddle for a while & report back on their findings.



True that!

I'm certainly not here to get into a debate or argument. I respect everyone's point regardless of how it fits with mines.

As I take to cycling more on the road, I like to think everyone who replies here represents a portion of the drivers that'll be passing me lol some mad, some patient, some in between haha
 
True that!

I'm certainly not here to get into a debate or argument. I respect everyone's point regardless of how it fits with mines.

As I take to cycling more on the road, I like to think everyone who replies here represents a portion of the drivers that'll be passing me lol some mad, some patient, some in between haha

Although I was generalising there a bit, I was referring mainly to your findings on the cycling forum you chose. Obviously you found that a bit of an eye opener eh?

Off topic regarding comments on a forum, I remember meeting a forum member from another forum some years ago who posted up a very personal view of something & I asked him face to face what he had decided ( don't want to divulge too much) He became so embarrassed & tried to laugh things off. My point here as I said, it's only too easy to post something from afar, it's another story in the flesh.
 
Almost two years ago now I found a whole cycling group ahead of me. About 10 cyclists, a social group, so not much lycra, but they were all over the place. On the country road they'd chosen, passing them was impossible, as well as risky as they wobbled outwards. Luckily I turned a different way after about 3 minutes. (Felt like a lot longer!)

As some were wearing club tops, I found the club website and wrote to the club secretary. I was polite, and highlighted that they seemed unaware of their inconvenience to others, and made no attempt to minimise this, or to allow anyone to pass. I made a few suggestions as to how they might manage the situation better, including splitting into smaller more passable groups.

Never got a reply. And they wonder why many just hate all cyclists.

Whilst training company car drivers, I meet many that are also cyclists. Rarely do these deal with other cyclists well, despite being one themselves. There's something psychological going on there. (Amazingly, one rode his bicycle to work on the day of his driver training.)
 
I have the same view of a cyclist as I do a horse..or a pedestrian or any other road user.

If they are sensible and take responsibility for their own personal safety then fine we can all get along.

If they make me responsible for not killing them by putting themselves in what a 5 year old can see is a dangerous situation and relying on everyone else involved having more sense than they do. Then well I'm not going to mow them down to prove a point but I find it amazing how little regard for their own personal safety and that of others some "vulnerable" road users have.

I also find it amazing how little regard certain "Vulnerable" road users have when the boot is on the other foot on footpaths.
 
I have the same view of a cyclist as I do a horse..or a pedestrian or any other road user.

If they are sensible and take responsibility for their own personal safety then fine we can all get along.


As a cyclist and keen driver I also feel the same way.

It doesn't matter what mode of transport we use if we are on the road (the footpath is legally part of the road) we are traffic and have to abide by "The Road Traffic Act", "Highway Code", and so on.



Also it's important to remember another golden rule of the road that should be taught by every driving instructor in the land.

"Treat everyone on road like they are idiots".

There are as many good cyclists as bad and as many good drivers as bad to. So it all works out in the end.

Back to the OP. Don't take it personally even of the operator of a vehicle tries to kill you it will only ever be dangerous driving and never attempted murder.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/30/man-jailed-after-deliberately-driving-into-cyclists-on-way-to-childrens-birthday-party-6746108/
 
And there has been a cultural shift in the past fifty years.

I'm old enough to have been brought up always to consider other people, in everything I did or said. My friends were inculcated with the same mores, and barring criminals and psychopaths, so was everybody else.

Don't inconvenience other people, be responsible and don't do foolish things. These were the rules of living.

Well, that's over! Now it's me me me, more me, and then just a little bit more me for good measure.

Feel ill, go to A&E; children behaving badly, the teacher's fault; something not working, somebody else must be to blame ... and so on.

Apply this selfishness to every aspect of living, as is mostly done now, and we soon reach our horrendous road culture.

I didn't cycle after I got my Lambretta at sixteen, but when I had a bike I always rode with lights front and back and I, like all my friends , was careful. There was no option, no lights and a policemen would pull you over and give you a good telling off, which felt like a strong reprimand and was acted on.

Three years ago I went on a cycling holiday in Jordan and it was fantastic. First time I'd been on a bike for decades, and I managed, just. But the roads were practically deserted and the short journeys we did in built up areas were done
very carefully. I would never ever cycle here, awful narrow broken roads, too much traffic and far too many selfish me-me types about.


Just being on any road now in Britain is a challenge, which is why I pick my travelling times and destinations carefully. Going into town is becoming a rare
event.

Sad what Britain has collapsed into.
 
And there has been a cultural shift in the past fifty years.



I'm old enough to have been brought up always to consider other people, in everything I did or said. My friends were inculcated with the same mores, and barring criminals and psychopaths, so was everybody else.



Don't inconvenience other people, be responsible and don't do foolish things. These were the rules of living.



Well, that's over! Now it's me me me, more me, and then just a little bit more me for good measure.



Feel ill, go to A&E; children behaving badly, the teacher's fault; something not working, somebody else must be to blame ... and so on.



Apply this selfishness to every aspect of living, as is mostly done now, and we soon reach our horrendous road culture.



I didn't cycle after I got my Lambretta at sixteen, but when I had a bike I always rode with lights front and back and I, like all my friends , was careful. There was no option, no lights and a policemen would pull you over and give you a good telling off, which felt like a strong reprimand and was acted on.



Three years ago I went on a cycling holiday in Jordan and it was fantastic. First time I'd been on a bike for decades, and I managed, just. But the roads were practically deserted and the short journeys we did in built up areas were done

very carefully. I would never ever cycle here, awful narrow broken roads, too much traffic and far too many selfish me-me types about.





Just being on any road now in Britain is a challenge, which is why I pick my travelling times and destinations carefully. Going into town is becoming a rare

event.



Sad what Britain has collapsed into.



This is so true. As a young person I do often fear what the world will become when the older generations pass over the responsibility for government and other important things...

The good people are out there but it's such a rare thing now, society definitely can't get away with the good reputation it seemed to have decades ago.

I'm deciding between cycling everywhere in the future or keeping a car as well as going to a gym to keep in shape.. the latter more common but there's something off putting about getting in my tin air conditioned box and going to a public concrete air conditioned box to work up a sweat. A lack of nature but a sense of lower risk of getting hit by a car somehow.. hmm
 
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