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Any motorcycle / scooter advocates?

Given the recent blow with my Panda, and even consideration as to selling it in the New Year, I was looking into motorised scooters. Though initially I didn't like the idea, some of the things on offer look quite nice.

Seems a cheap way to get about, and a fairly simple level of engineering involved?

Saw a Honda and then a Suzuki.

Going to keep looking and learning about them... haven't done an insurance quote yet.. Mind you, surely one doesn't do so many miles and petrol fill ups on a little thing like that?

A good idea?
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Given the recent blow with my Panda, and even consideration as to selling it in the New Year, I was looking into motorised scooters. Though initially I didn't like the idea, some of the things on offer look quite nice.

Seems a cheap way to get about, and a fairly simple level of engineering involved?

Saw a Honda and then a Suzuki.

Going to keep looking and learning about them... haven't done an insurance quote yet.. Mind you, surely one doesn't do so many miles and petrol fill ups on a little thing like that?

A good idea?
insurance will be a bargain,
but the riding kit costs a LOT, as does getting a licence..
and it'll still cost you a fair few quid to buy and service.

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insurance will be a bargain,
but the riding kit costs a LOT, as does getting a licence..
and it'll still cost you a fair few quid to buy and service.

Charlie
Doing a quote now, bloody hell!! 434 for a year, and in fact, 234 (if I say I have that CBT test)


I wonder if we'd be able to service it ourselves like we do with the Panda atm.

Logic tells me as its cheaper and simpler to buy, then yes, but at the same time.. maybe they can't be used and take abuse like a car and require more servicing? hmm
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Re: Any motorcycle / scooter advocates?

the kit is @800 new, but of course it fetches virtually nothing used in winter

bike - from @400 for older / reliable,

do you know anybody that can do the basics of maint..??

the bonus of a bike for many is being able to get easy access + FREE parking to city centres .

TBH - IF you get the bike + kit at the lower end..,
you've maybe got the option of parking-up the panda for a few months , and fix it at your leisure..,
the cashing in of car ins. could almost fund the bike..
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the kit is @800 new, but of course it fetches virtually nothing used in winter

bike - from @400 for older / reliable,

do you know anybody that can do the basics of maint..??

the bonus of a bike for many is being able to get easy access + FREE parking to city centres .

TBH - IF you get the bike + kit at the lower end..,
you've maybe got the option of parking-up the panda for a few months , and fix it at your leisure..,
the cashing in of car ins. could almost fund the bike..
What sort of kit do I need, minimum?

That depends, can I park it on the street without insurance, so long as it's MOT'd and taxed? :-)
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What sort of kit do I need, minimum?

That depends, can I park it on the street without insurance, so long as it's MOT'd and taxed? :-)
Helmet, gloves (good quality leather as if you fall off, these take the brunt of it), a good jacket, waterproof, and waterproof trousers as well, and good boots. As varesecrazy says, 400 is adequate, but you can spend a lot more. Don't buy cheap. It nees to keep you warm, dry, and protected in a spill.

No matter how well you wrap up, it will be cold and miserable in the winter. Whilst I passed my bike and car tests at 17, didn't buy my own car until 24. Did many winters on the bike, even in snow. As you get older, the comfort of a warm dry car leaves the bike neglected. Sold it end 2003. Still miss it though, but no use for one really. Can't commute on it.

Servicing is similar to a car, but smaller. If you're able to lift it, proper lifting tables are available, working on it becomes easier, otherwise you spend a lot of time on your knees. Research a manual, like a Haynes before buying the bike. At least it will fit inside a garage if you have one. Leaving it outside regularly requires a very good lock, ideally chain it to a lamppost or railing, as the whole thing can be lifted into a van.

A used small bike can be great, or a money pit. Young people tend to use and abuse them, then sell them on. So you might just change one project for another.

Visit a dealer and price up the clothing.
Visit your local training scheme and talk to them about timescale and costs. They'll all be enthusiasts. (Been there, done that too. Taught learner motorcyclists 1979-1984)
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Re: Any motorcycle / scooter advocates?

I love my scooter, it's one of my favorite things about living in Taiwan. They are so cheap and repair shops everywhere.

Mine is a 150cc bored out to around 180, so much fun.

I usually drive around in shorts and sandals, in rain I just wear a plastic rain mac and in winter my normal coat 😃

I had a scooter in the UK too, the only "kit" I bought for that was a pair of very good waterproof gloves with wrist protectors on them.

Tbh though, compared to Taiwanese driving, UK drivers are safe as houses!
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What sort of kit do I need, minimum?

That depends, can I park it on the street without insurance, so long as it's MOT'd and taxed? :-)
to park on the road, pretty sure you'll need all 3, as you need mot and ins for the tax to be valid = otherwise it's SORN

however renting a garage from the council( or a local / neighbour) could make that AND the bike secure for relatively little money.
consider the fact - fixed vs unfixed is @800 margin on your panda


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I'd want a NEW helmet and gloves,
the 2 things that'll hit the ground 1st - and are the most important to you,

but the rest goes OVER your normal clothes , and is out in the weather so "barely used" can be a bargain,
both jacket and trousers will have "armour" on all the ( your) joints, elbows , knees , hips, elbows, shoulders

I've still got 30 year old scars from a 10 mph moped tumble in denim,
so any UK vehicle has the potential to give some serious "gravel rash".

personally I would get a 125 cc 4-stroke motorcycle,
as they are a better physical size , have bigger - more stable- wheels, and are MANUAL , so can be bump-started if necessary ,

scooters tend to be all twist'n'go - AUTO, and have smaller wheels,

Weather protection - marginally better with a scooter - but if it rains you get wet,
and COLD - well that's a "given".

I've owned a bike since I was 5,
gave up road riding when I was 18 ( car) , but have had trail / enduro bikes since,
change of job in mid-thirties meant I bought a new Supermoto for the daily commute, 20 mile journey 1 hour saved - AND FREE parking.

did 4 full summers and winters,
then changed job again, bike sat unused for 6 months so sold, and just have fun projects now,

my "NEW" kit at the job start was bought in a Half-price Jan sale, and has lasted 15 years without issue.

I bit of advice :AVOID Chinese made,
in the UK they are 1/3 of the price new, and the quality is "patchy" at best,

used Japanese is a far safer bet, as you'll be able to get parts for it far easier.
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Helmet, gloves (good quality leather as if you fall off, these take the brunt of it), a good jacket, waterproof, and waterproof trousers as well, and good boots. As varesecrazy says, 400 is adequate, but you can spend a lot more. Don't buy cheap. It nees to keep you warm, dry, and protected in a spill.

No matter how well you wrap up, it will be cold and miserable in the winter. Whilst I passed my bike and car tests at 17, didn't buy my own car until 24. Did many winters on the bike, even in snow. As you get older, the comfort of a warm dry car leaves the bike neglected. Sold it end 2003. Still miss it though, but no use for one really. Can't commute on it.

Servicing is similar to a car, but smaller. If you're able to lift it, proper lifting tables are available, working on it becomes easier, otherwise you spend a lot of time on your knees. Research a manual, like a Haynes before buying the bike. At least it will fit inside a garage if you have one. Leaving it outside regularly requires a very good lock, ideally chain it to a lamppost or railing, as the whole thing can be lifted into a van.

A used small bike can be great, or a money pit. Young people tend to use and abuse them, then sell them on. So you might just change one project for another.

Visit a dealer and price up the clothing.
Visit your local training scheme and talk to them about timescale and costs. They'll all be enthusiasts. (Been there, done that too. Taught learner motorcyclists 1979-1984)
I'll make a shopping list of some decent kit then, wouldn't be one for risking anything less ideal. Spoke to some people who mentioned how dangerous it could be, and how winter could be uncomfortable. Though am I right to think with the right kit you can be warm / comfortable.

It seems maybe I should have done this rather than try to run a car at uni. I mean, I don't even have enough money for new shoes or a haircut because it's all been going on the Panda. I enjoy the learning, fixing and maintaining but it's quite intense and expensive now beyond what I can sustain :-(

Going to contact a dealer in the new year and find out more about training. Would more than likely be a new one if I did, as there's plenty of good used ones surely on AutoTrader etc, but when you click 'Northern Ireland only' goes down to less than 30 :-(

If it can last from 2017 to 2020 then I think 2000 will go quite far, cost wise?



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I love my scooter, it's one of my favorite things about living in Taiwan. They are so cheap and repair shops everywhere.

Mine is a 150cc bored out to around 180, so much fun.

I usually drive around in shorts and sandals, in rain I just wear a plastic rain mac and in winter my normal coat 😃

I had a scooter in the UK too, the only "kit" I bought for that was a pair of very good waterproof gloves with wrist protectors on them.

Tbh though, compared to Taiwanese driving, UK drivers are safe as houses!
It's great to have a reply from the owner (awesome Forum, btw!). Waterproof sound like a good call!


Quote Originally Posted by varesecrazy View Post
to park on the road, pretty sure you'll need all 3, as you need mot and ins for the tax to be valid = otherwise it's SORN

however renting a garage from the council( or a local / neighbour) could make that AND the bike secure for relatively little money.
consider the fact - fixed vs unfixed is @800 margin on your panda


KIT;

I'd want a NEW helmet and gloves,
the 2 things that'll hit the ground 1st - and are the most important to you,

but the rest goes OVER your normal clothes , and is out in the weather so "barely used" can be a bargain,
both jacket and trousers will have "armour" on all the ( your) joints, elbows , knees , hips, elbows, shoulders

I've still got 30 year old scars from a 10 mph moped tumble in denim,
so any UK vehicle has the potential to give some serious "gravel rash".

personally I would get a 125 cc 4-stroke motorcycle,
as they are a better physical size , have bigger - more stable- wheels, and are MANUAL , so can be bump-started if necessary ,

scooters tend to be all twist'n'go - AUTO, and have smaller wheels,

Weather protection - marginally better with a scooter - but if it rains you get wet,
and COLD - well that's a "given".

I've owned a bike since I was 5,
gave up road riding when I was 18 ( car) , but have had trail / enduro bikes since,
change of job in mid-thirties meant I bought a new Supermoto for the daily commute, 20 mile journey 1 hour saved - AND FREE parking.

did 4 full summers and winters,
then changed job again, bike sat unused for 6 months so sold, and just have fun projects now,

my "NEW" kit at the job start was bought in a Half-price Jan sale, and has lasted 15 years without issue.

I bit of advice :AVOID Chinese made,
in the UK they are 1/3 of the price new, and the quality is "patchy" at best,

used Japanese is a far safer bet, as you'll be able to get parts for it far easier.
My uncle seems to reckon we'd get to the bottom of it eventually, problem being I have nowhere to SORN park it. 800 is quite a lot :-/ It'll be hard to part with the Panda. He keeps reminding me how 'at the same time, nothing could go wrong - you never know'

The ones I'm looking at are both 110cc , the Honda I linked is also available for 110cc. This seems to be a good balance between adequate performance and cost. As it's new, surely the whole automatic and electronic start should be fine for a number of years?

Won't good quality clothes keep the 'wet' to a minimum? At one point I was all prepared to take the bicycle to uni, so I suppose it's an improvement with an engine given I'd still be able to make it to some less ideal cycling road destinations.



This seems like the right sort of thing to do, though I'd hate selling the Panda, I simply can't afford it. I am certain of one thing, my next car will be a new Panda. I enjoy the car so bloody much. Just wish I could afford to! lol
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Check you have category A on your licence as a provisional entitlement. You may need to apply to DVLA to have it added.
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Autotrader is expensive.

Try Gumtree. Freeads..and similar in your area.

New is still VERY expensive..depreciation is BAD
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Well, the Panda as it stands is now 'fine' for another while. We got the big issue promoting the idea of buying a scooter sorted.

The idea still lingers, and the cost of the car - even without repairs - is 93 a month for insurance, +12 a month for tax, 80 a month in petrol. Quite a lot really!

The car could probably fetch about 1000-1200 if I found the right buyer in an ideal world.. A dealer not so long ago offered 1000 so I reckon the extra 200 with a private sale if need be. Especially since I have a large folder of invoices for all the parts we've done to it and the Fiat service in February etc.

The scooter still seems a bit dangerous (zero star safety, as with all bikes! and a lot of people telling me I won't like it in winter or rainy weather.

Maybe I'm getting too into the idea of a shiny new scooter over an old car and I should be.

I also am unsure of what the longest journey I could do on a scooter would be realistically!
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I also am unsure of what the longest journey I could do on a scooter would be realistically!
Will depend on how long it takes for your sore bum to distract from your concentration. Not so easy to move around on a bike.

I used to 'commute' weekly to college, 30 miles, on a 30mph moped. Quite far enough.
Later on my 100cc bike, often did 100 miles at a time. Didn't increase much with a larger bike.
Realistically, 30-40 miles is long enough on a regular basis, any further would be infrequent. Bum ache, backache, stiff neck, stiff wrists, will all afflict you in time.
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Will depend on how long it takes for your sore bum to distract from your concentration. Not so easy to move around on a bike.

I used to 'commute' weekly to college, 30 miles, on a 30mph moped. Quite far enough.
Later on my 100cc bike, often did 100 miles at a time. Didn't increase much with a larger bike.
Realistically, 30-40 miles is long enough on a regular basis, any further would be infrequent. Bum ache, backache, stiff neck, stiff wrists, will all afflict you in time.
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My university / city is 7.5 miles away, not that far, mostly a straight road!
My work experience is 10 miles the other direction, hopefully I'll get that again this summer!
The head office for that place is 50 miles away, I'm more scared they'd ask me to go there for a week!

But all in all, the scope of my travel is quite small range except for one off road trips, but even then, N. Ireland is about 70 miles left to right!
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Not long distances then.
Make sure you've got motorcycle on your licence.
Find your nearest motorcycle trainers and go see them. Ask nicely, they might let you have a go on one of their bikes, at the very least they'll explain the process. They will all be enthusiasts. They can give you an idea of costs of training/testing and timescale.
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