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Old 30-12-2016   #16
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Re: Any motorcycle / scooter advocates?

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@portland_bill

My university / city is 7.5 miles away, not that far, mostly a straight road!
My work experience is 10 miles the other direction, hopefully I'll get that again this summer!
The head office for that place is 50 miles away, I'm more scared they'd ask me to go there for a week!
50 miles is an hour and a bit.. not so far..

I saw this a few mins ago.. made me laugh - I've had 3 of these..,
have a look , and let us know;
1, what you think (apart from being 500 miles away..)
2, what it would need for it's MOT ,
3, what doesn't "add-up.."

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/honda-clr-...3D332070708109
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Re: Any motorcycle / scooter advocates?

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50 miles is an hour and a bit.. not so far..

I saw this a few mins ago.. made me laugh - I've had 3 of these..,
have a look , and let us know;
1, what you think (apart from being 500 miles away..)
2, what it would need for it's MOT ,
3, what doesn't "add-up.."
Not my cup of tea, even if as Honda intended. I preferred proper road orientated bikes, but now would go for a big scooter - soft comfort?

I know you are often teased about your navigation, but Stratford on Avon is a little closer than 500 miles, or did you have a special route planned?

Intrigued that the seller says road legal, and that it has never let him down, but selling as he's not got his CBT. Oops! Got caught?

To me, its current price of 285 is way too much.
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Re: Any motorcycle / scooter advocates?

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I know you are often teased about your navigation, but Stratford on Avon is a little closer than 500 miles, or did you have a special route planned?
Yeah but get stuck on that one way system looking for parking spaces in summer and there's your mileage.
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Re: Any motorcycle / scooter advocates?

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Not my cup of tea, even if as Honda intended. I preferred proper road orientated bikes, but now would go for a big scooter - soft comfort?

I know you are often teased about your navigation, but Stratford on Avon is a little closer than 500 miles, or did you have a special route planned?

Intrigued that the seller says road legal, and that it has never let him down, but selling as he's not got his CBT. Oops! Got caught?

To me, its current price of 285 is way too much.
my last Cityfly was 110 and in a similar state..,

fine for a years commuting, then sold on

I meant 500 from Belfast,
I looked at it thinking the chain was past it.. apparently it's one of it's redeeming features

I actually made a batch of exhaust heat shields - but this isn't deserving of one..,
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Make sure to go on to the DVLA website and get a Provisional Motorcycle license first.

You used to be able to ride a bike with a car license and CBT in the past but that was stopped in 2015

Before you do a CBT you need to decide what kind of bike you want to ride. This is daft but go to a dealer and sit on a few before taking the plunge. The two types of CBT are the same as the car test in a way manual (geared) bikes and automatic scooters. Get the best feel you can but if you do a manual CBT you can also ride an automatic.

Geared bikes are more work, trickier to balance at low speed and harder to fall off if you crash (squashed balls is the third most common injury due to people hitting the tank).

Automatics are less work, easier to fall off (away from) but if you hit something like a truck, drop side or pick up the bars can bend inwards and cut your legs off half way down your Femur.

Protection.

Helmet - 100 minimum never second hand, cheap ones are cheap for the wrong reason. Clear visor with a tinted insert for sunny days only. Tinted visors on days that are dull, overcast, wet etc are suicide.

Boots - Proper bike boots, toe, heel and shin pads, tough durable sole and three straps. Lace up boots are stupid, rigger types are hard to cut off and anything with a steel toe will break your Metatarsal bones if you instinctively put your foot down at speed. 70-80 for a good pair.

Gloves - Leather, padded knuckles, double skin palms, wrist support and go at least half way up your wrists. Thinsulated this time of year but you can get liners for that. Expect to pay 40 at least for a good pair.

Jacket - Hi-Vis preferably, waterproof with padded shoulders, elbows and back protection. 100-150 for a good one.

Trousers - Dragin' Jeans are a minimum. Padded, hi-viz optional, waterproof over covers.

Leathers - If you are a commuter and riding a scooter I wouldn't bother but if you have geared bike I would go two piece leathers with padding and knee slider patches. You might get the bike bug and move on to bigger ones down the line and having the leathers already will save you later.

Like bumpers, airbags and seat belts I think the gear the rider wears should be part of the bikes M.O.T and a legal requirement but the number of kids riding around in shorts, t'shirt and helmet unstrapped in the Summer is sickening. Sure it gets hot and uncomfortable but when you fall off having to graft skin from your arse to repair your hands is probably less so.

Falling off.

DO NOT ROLL

Even if you are wearing padded up leathers try not to roll as every rotation is an impact, every impact is potentially a broken bone, roll on to an already broken bone and expect to loose that arm/leg.

Try to spread yourself out and slide.

You will not have time to think about it so practice. Jump on your bed and spread out or use a garden trampoline, anything to help your body learn what to do when you fall off.

I've had a few offs but my big one was at Donnington. I had overtaken a couple of guys who were distracting each other. One of those lost his bike and was slapped off. That bike hit mine and just as I hit the track I was collected by the other rider. Dislocated shoulder, broken ribs, broken Coccyx and compacted spine. It took three months to lean how to walk again and I'm not allowed to race anymore.

Your off won't be anything like that. Some idiot will pull out in front of you and you'll either end up over the bonnet or have time to swerve and collect the front bumper ending up in the middle of the road...

...or worse. If my big one was on the road, no run off, road furniture in the way and trees, solid curb and other stuff to crash into I'd be dead.

On that topic when I first started riding bikes there was a group of about thirty of us who used to meet up at Hunstanton some Summer Saturdays. There are only twenty one of us left and of those are in wheel chairs only three still ride bikes.

Bike choice is simple.

Avoid anything you haven't heard of.
Avoid anything you can't pronounce.
Basically the Chinese rubbish that has flooded the market in recent years.

I'm not being rude here but I know loads of new bikers who have bought new and cheap instead of a second hand Honda/Suzuki/Yamaha for the same money and had to push their bikes home in the rain. Check parts availability before you buy, again these Chinese bikes can be a faff to get bits for.

Consumables like tyres, filters, bulbs ect.

Two or four stroke.

Historically two strokes were quicker but less reliable than four stroke. But that gap has been closing regularly and many four strokes are just as quick as two stokes used to be. I don't want to get too technical and it comes down to how much faff you want in your life.

Four stroke - Petrol and go.
Two stroke - Petrol, oil and go.

If you can ensure you don't ever, ever, EVER run out of two stroke oil it horses for courses.

That's about it really.

Oh one more thing. Going from a car to a bike is like going from cage diving to see the wildlife to snorkeling in a nest of sharks with blood in the water.

Enjoy yourself but take it very, very, very seriously.
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Re: Any motorcycle / scooter advocates?

oh - that's a sobering New Years speech
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Re: Any motorcycle / scooter advocates?

I'm not one for sugar coating stuff.

If you budget 1,500 for the bike expect the total, helmet, gear, provisional, CBT, insurance, tax, consumables to come to at least 3,000
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Re: Any motorcycle / scooter advocates?

I bought an old jap 2 stroke for my Nephew,
was dirt cheap to insure.. (and buy) but parts were an issue

got him confident enough to do a car test though.. so money well spent
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Re: Any motorcycle / scooter advocates?

Bloody good idea.

I think all new drivers should spend a minimum of two years on a bike before they are allowed anywhere near a car.

Okay there are a few loonies but most bikers have greater hazard awareness, perception and respect for the road than people who are used to sitting in a crumple zoned, air bagged, Faraday cage stuffed with drivers aids.
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Re: Any motorcycle / scooter advocates?

I've decided (that for me) I'm best to stay put with the Panda, as the idea of a scooter probably isn't much more economical for me when decent kit is concerned and I definitely wouldn't risk compromising these things.

I'm also a bit scared of the whole 0 star safety aspect of bikes! Especially with BMW drivers on the road etc ..for now.

Thanks for everyone who responded. Perhaps it is an idea I will re-visit in the future when money is not so tight!
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Re: Any motorcycle / scooter advocates?

Sorry if I put you off. I am all for new riders and as I said before all drivers should spend two years on a bike first. Respect and awareness etc but also if all of a sudden every 16-18 had a bike drivers wouldn't have a choice but to buck their ideas up as well.

I like to make sure if I give anyone advice it is realist and practical. When people talk about getting a bike they usually don't realise how much the gear costs to go with it.

My nephew wants a moped to go to college on instead of a free bus service. I asked what would he do if his bike breaks down, has a puncture or crashed. He said ride his mountain bike. So I suggested he rides his mountain bike into town every day during the festive holidays.

Day 1/ All was well because he took cycle lanes.
"Will you be able to use cycle lanes on your moped?"
"No"
"Right stick to the road tomorrow".

Day 2/ Got half way gave up and went home. Traffic was rough and he was splashed, cut up and a Taxi nearly took him out at a roundabout.

"So imagine three times the traffic during term time and you're on a moped going twice as fast".

"Thanks uncle Rob. I'll stick to the bus".
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Re: Any motorcycle / scooter advocates?

I would love to cycle a bicycle everywhere but I must admit, I very much get the feeling car drivers are 'out to get me'.

Don't get me wrong, I know how annoying some snotty cyclists can be. But I don't have the nerve or lack of respect for sweet life itself to ever 'be funny' to a car. - even a Renault Twingo is a tank compared to you on a bike.

A taxi driver swerved 'for fun' to almost miss me, and stared me out?! That put me off.


But all in all you didn't put me off anymore than I did myself! You're right about making people go on bikes. Would heighten people's respect for just how vulnerable we all are on the road.

I like to remind people who drive big 4x4s who say 'it keeps my family safe' how they are just as useless as my Panda against a 44 tonne lorry / tree / concrete building. Knocks em off their high horses.
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Re: Any motorcycle / scooter advocates?

It took me far too long to work this on out for myself so I will share it with you.

Do not take things personally.

People are morons.

Or they have other confidence related issues.

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