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Which Vauxhalls have Fiat engines?

SB1500: you mentioned technical issues with the TwinAir engines. I'm willing to be corrected, but I think I recall seeing elsewhere on this forum that Fiat are developing a range of engines to replace the current FIRE units that are of a MultiAir valvetrain design. Also, I think 1.4 MultiAir FIRE engines are still being used today, in the 124 Spider. Again, I'm willing to be corrected.

The Beard: would I be right in thinking that the 1979 Opel Kadett you mentioned went on to become the mk1 Vauxhall Astra?

Gavv8: if I wanted a city car, granted the Viva wouldn't be my 1st choice, but it would be far preferable to the 108/C1/Aygo family, and even more preferable to the Up/Citigo/Mii!
 
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The Beard: would I be right in thinking that the 1979 Opel Kadett you mentioned went on to become the mk1 Vauxhall Astra?
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Yes it was the Mk1 Astra. 2 fundamental differences when the Astra arrived were that the Kadett was initially a 4 door saloon with a hatchback-like slope to the rear window while the Astra was a hatchback. Some time later the Kadett had a hatch as an option while most Astras stayed with that style.

The other was that Opels often had the same engine in different states of tune while the Astra would have different engines. For example, the Astra originally had a 1.2 60bhp unit which was basically the same one Opel had used in the previous Kadett as well as the Family 1 75bhp 1.3 OHC unit which was brand new. The Opel on the other hand had the 1.3 with 60 or 75bhp. I think the difference was marketing, in as much as in the UK there was a degree of one-upmanship in the car park or on Sunday when everyone was washing their cars. That didn't seem to matter in Germany.

The same was true with their prestige line, the Opel Senator/Vauxhall Royale. The Senator had the 3 litre in two different states of tune whereas the Royale had either a 3 litre or a 2.8.
 
This thread and Beards impressive ramble through history has put me in mind of the old G plate Astra my dad had. 1.3 Gl with the 75bhp engine, like most Vauxhall's nowt magical but when he got it (second hand) I was 6. Compared to the cars we'd always had it was a limo, 5 gears! Auto Choke! Front electric windows! 4 speaker stereo, central locking! Those little drawers for your cassettes! Even a windy handle tilt and slide sunroof...

Being a Vauxhall it had depreciated like a stone so my dad could afford it and to 6 year old me was amazing...although my current car with its laser blue mood lighting, alloys, screens inside and 4x electric windows e.t.c. e.t.c. would probably have blown my 6 year old mind.
 
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How times have changed! The oldest of my parents cars I remember in any detail was a G-plate Renault 19 1.7 TXE: that had central locking, electric front windows, electric sunroof, power steering, and it would have had remote controls for the stereo, had the previous owner not butchered the cables for some reason! They replaced that with an L-reg Ford Escort LX 1.6 16v. I still remember wondering what SRS stood for: I knew there was an airbag in the 'wheel, but was unfamiliar with the acronym, lol! The only other stand out feature of the car was the interior boot release. I was a few months away from turning 13 when my parents bought that Escort, and I'd assumed it must've been something pretty special, because it had... a bootlid spoiler!!! Wowsers!! How wrong I was, lol! :/

On the subject of kit, when I was looking for my 1st car back in 2007, cars without even a drivers airbag weren't all that ancient, and a lot of superminis still had wind up windows all round: the 17 year olds of today don't know how lucky they are with safe, relatively well kitted cars being available for £1000 or less!
 
I'd assumed it must've been something pretty special, because it had... a bootlid spoiler!!! Wowsers!! How wrong I was, lol! :/

It is weird what makes a good car when you're young. Spoilers, alloys, chrome finisher on the exhaust foglights...obviously I have since grown up so my current car has all those things...cos you know I'm totally an adult now...
 
I will be honest: I do like alloy wheels. I don't have a problem with wheel trims, they can still be perfectly acceptable: I never felt the urge to fit alloys to my old mk2b Active, but if they're a good design, alloys just look great. They're a sod to clean, but I love the wheels on my Grande, for example.

I don't mind spoilers on some cars, but I don't place any importance on them. Fogs and styled exhausts don't bother me either tbh, it's more the mod cons that interest me, upto a point, lol! :D
 
Back when I was in my teens if the car didn't have what I wanted I just fitted it myself, no such thing as can bus so it was just a case of wiring things up properly.

I fitted electric windows to my girlfriends cinquecento, and central locking and electric windows to my £80 mk3 fiesta.

Then later on when I had a mondeo it had everything retrofitted, electric windows in the rear (it had them in the front) electric sunroof electric heated leather seats, then I got a bit silly and I retrofitted aircon.... that was a chore I would never recommend, but then upgraded that further with the climate control from a Ford cougar.

By the time I was done with it in the mid 2000 it was better spaced than my friends bought new 2001 mondeo Ghia X, except mine started out as a 1993 LX
 
For some time now Ive thought the Vauxhall Astra, Renault Megane and Alfa Guilietta all look largely the same. These similarities went further back into the days of Fiat Brava and Bravo. Obviously the details differ but the overall shape is so similar it can hardly be coincidence.
 
How times have changed! The oldest of my parents cars I remember in any detail was a G-plate Renault 19 1.7 TXE: that had central locking, electric front windows, electric sunroof, power steering, and it would have had remote controls for the stereo, had the previous owner not butchered the cables for some reason! They replaced that with an L-reg Ford Escort LX 1.6 16v. I still remember wondering what SRS stood for: I knew there was an airbag in the 'wheel, but was unfamiliar with the acronym, lol! The only other stand out feature of the car was the interior boot release. I was a few months away from turning 13 when my parents bought that Escort, and I'd assumed it must've been something pretty special, because it had... a bootlid spoiler!!! Wowsers!! How wrong I was, lol! :/

On the subject of kit, when I was looking for my 1st car back in 2007, cars without even a drivers airbag weren't all that ancient, and a lot of superminis still had wind up windows all round: the 17 year olds of today don't know how lucky they are with safe, relatively well kitted cars being available for £1000 or less!
Right you young whippersnappers, the first car I have any recollections of wasn't really a car at all. It was an Isetta which was my Dad's move away from motorcycles due to the arrival of his first son.....me. Its equipment consisted of er, well, naff all really. An engine, a gearbox, a steering wheel, a bench seat, three wheels and one door. Oh and it had two over-riders, one each side of the single door. Oops, almost forgot the single wiper.

What a lot of people never realised about 3-wheelers was that you could have reverse gear blanked off so it was effectively a motorcycle and sidecar, albeit with a roof that included the driver, so his old RAF greatcoat was relegated to the shed and his goggles and gauntlets to history. Because of the lack of a reverse gear the "road tax" was lower than a 4-wheeler. You could also ride it on a motorcycle licence. He told me a few years ago that when he went for his driving test he'd actually been using it with reverse for several months. As my father is pretty much the most law abiding man in the world, this was quite dodgy. As he and the Examiner got into the car he was asked if the vehicle had reverse he automatically answered "Yes". He was also the most honest man in the world as well. The Examiner asked where his accompanying driver was, my Dad said he'd gone for a cup of tea and a sandwich. The test was completed and he passed, but as he started to drive away the Examiner stopped him and asked where the accompanying driver was. "Oh, he's caught the bus home".

The Isetta was mid blue but at some stage he scraped the side on a low wall. Remember this wasn't exactly the world's widest car, but he took it to the dealer he bought it from in Salford and was given a quote. When he took it in he was told that they couldn't get the right colour and a pale blue had been sent instead. Quick as a flash he told the body shop to just paint the lower third in the pale blue. The body man wasn't so sure but my Dad insisted.

When he took it back for its service, the garage manager said there would be no charge because since the new paint job he'd had numerous requests for two tone paint job and had done quite nicely out of them. Thus, customising came to the Manchester area.

My Mum told me a story that one weekend they'd decided to go for a Sunday afternoon drive into the hills above Bury. Unfortunately after driving around a mile down a single track lane they came across a closed 5-Bar gate that had a sign on it stating that the road was closed because of lambing. My Dad decided that, being a man and therefore possessed of near mythical driving ability, he would reverse a mile back down the lane to the previous junction.
My Mum reminded him that after the incident with the wall, his driving ability was somewhat less mythical than it had been. Instead, she suggested just picking it up by the over-riders and turning it through 180 degrees, which they did, and then drove off in the opposite direction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isetta

As they were planning for another child, they decided that a bigger, proper car was called for and the bubble car made way for a magnificent (remember magnificent is a relative term) Austin A30. This was a veritable beast boasting a four cylinder engine of massive 803cc displacement. Not only that, but had two wipers and, wait for it, two doors, but that was about it. I don't know if it had a heater but it certainly couldn't clear the mist off the inside of the windscreen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_A30#/media/File:Austin_A30_Reg_July_1955_803cc.JPG

This didn't last long as, in 1962 with my brother approaching his first birthday my parents bought their first brand new car. The A30 went back to Green & Zonis on Bury New Road and was replaced with.....De, de, derrrr: an Austin A40. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_A40_Farina#/media/File:Austin_A40_MkII_front.jpg

This was a return to a two-tone paint job, having a black roof over red lowers. Whereas the A30 was a car for the '50s, the A40 was very much a style for the '60s. It had much bigger windows which meant that if you were only small, I was only five when this limo arrived, it was less claustrophobic than its predecessor, although in pre health and safety days that didn't matter that much as I'd just stand up on the transmission tunnel or sit on my Mum's lap, or even my Dad's lap.....while he was driving!

This motor was known as the 'Farina' due to being designed by the same styling house as countless Ferraris, as well as the Morris Oxford and Austin Cambridge. Oh well, you can't win 'em all. Although cars were styled even then, there wasn't a lot that was superfluous. It still had to function as a car rather than a fashion item, but this model had a drop down boot lid like a London taxi and a fold flat rear seat. There was also a Countryman version that had a lift up tailgate! Here was one of the first hatchbacks. This car stayed with us for about 4 years when it eventually made way for another Austin.

This time a maroon Austin 1100. It was a 1966 model bought nearly new as it had been a demonstrator at the local Austin dealer. Stylistically it was a little like an elongated A40 but with four doors and most were made this way. It wasn't until the MkII and MkIII that the two door model became common, although that body style first became available with the MG badge on the bonnet. Later versions of this became known as the Austin 1300GT but only available with the four door body only as MG began to be phased out as a badge on other Group products. A fastback design it had a lift up boot lid as opposed to the A40s drop down version but although you had to bend down to load it, it did have a pretty flat floor and gave more space than you'd think. One of my overriding memories of that car was going from Manchester to Newquay in very hot weather with a roof rack holding one suitcase and the others in the boot. Why does that trip stick in my memory? Well just ask anyone who made a long journey in hot weather, wearing short trousers while sitting on vinyl upholstery.

Instead of the all metal dashboard, with a binacle for the speedo, of the A30, and the black crackle finish of the A40's, again with a separate speedo, the 1100 had a long speedometer that instead of a needle, had a bar like device which seemed to fill up the area under the numbers. Space age or what? It was also a spacious car when compared to its rivals from Vauxhall and Ford. It also stuck in my mind as being the first car we owned with front seat belts. Mind you, we never wore them. Still, it did have a single speed heater fan, the headlights dipped by pressing a button on the floor next to the clutch pedal and the screenwash was operated by repeatedly pressing a small button on the dashboard. The single speed wipers were operated by a rocker switch and the indicators, like the A40 were operated via a small wand with a green light in the end on the right hand side of the steering column. This was like that on the A40 but different from the A30 which had a knob in the middle of the dashboard which was twisted to the left or right and operated an orange semaphore device on each side of the body. Vive le difference, eh?

One other thing that made it different from its rivals was the availability of automatic transmission. Not only was this quite unusual, but the 'box was four speed unit. Ask yourself when Ford, Vauxhall, or anyone else who made small cars, introduced a 4 speed slush box. I think it was probably the '80s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMC_ADO16

This car was kept until 1969 when it was replaced by a Viva, but by then we'd become a two car family as befitted a family moving from working class to lower middle class. By 1968 I could hold my head up with my friends whose families all had two as we played a kind of top trumps while cycling round the new housing estate we lived on.

But as we've left the Summer of Love far behind and were now on the cusp of a new decade, I'll leave the rest until I wake up again tomorrow.

Ok, you can all go to bed now. Er, hello? Where's everybody gone?
 
This really should be an entirely different thread, but, what the hell, I'm mid ramble so I'll carry on. There is a point to this........honestly.

Before the departure of the 1100 we acquired a second car. It wasn't exactly "state of the art". It was an Austin A90 Westminster from the mid-fifties in the fairly ubiquitous black paint with red leather upholstery. I got the mick taken out of me something rotten for that with fellow pupils shouting loudly: "Anyone call a taxi?" So much so that I'd rather walk the two miles home than be picked up by my Mum. However, one day, much to my horror, there she was in the lay-by opposite school. I tired to ignore her but to no avail.

We pulled out onto the road and I glanced behind me to see if any of my friends were catching us up on their push bikes. Let's face it, a big heavy car with 85 bhp out of a 2.6 litre six was never going to set the performance car world on fire. To my horror, right behind us was a lad I never got on with in his mum's brand new MGB GT, and behind that, a double decker school bus with the upstairs front window full of kids crowded round the front window.

We got to a set of traffic lights and my Mum, who could easily be known as Mrs. Slow stopped in the correct position in the left hand lane while alongside me pulled the MG and right behind us, the bus. I just knew I was going to get in a fight the next day.

The A90 had a four speed column gear change and Mother accidentally slipped it into 2nd by mistake. The MGB got off the line quite sharply as the Austin limped away, until, being very tractable, it suddenly picked up speed and as the MG changed into 2nd, the old lady in black overtook it on the left, much to my Mum's surprise. Before the other car could catch up the road had narrowed and we were still in front.

Almost overnight the other kid became a laughing stock and I was suddenly more popular than I ever had been. If only I knew what to do with girls aged at the age of 11 I'd have been in clover.

We didn't keep the A90 long as she was chopped in for an 18 month old Vauxhall Cresta.
 
It was now early 1969 and the Cresta PC was a whole different ball game. At around 16' long it had loads of space inside and a huge boot. So huge in fact that when the four of us went to pick up my Grandparents the folks realised that though there would be enough room for us all inside, it could only legally carry five and my Dad was a bit concerned that we'd be seen by a Cop, and as we were going to be driving near the Police Station that was a distinct possibility.

Quick as a flash, the world's most law-abiding man decided that there was a solution. My brother would have to ride the two miles home in the boot. As it was totally dark in there, and possibly quite frightening, I was volunteered to keep him company. Several minutes later we arrived home in one piece. However, both of us felt sick due to lying down instead of sitting up as normal and the constant smell of exhaust fumes. Well, it was the '60s when all said and done.

The Cresta was a veritable limousine with its Ambla upholstery, acres of space in the back and as we went on holiday in this country, like most people, it also meant that, for the first time, we didn't need a roof rack. No more listening anxiously for the sound of flapping tarpaulin as we drove along; no more having to get out every hour or so to check on whether the ropes tying everything down were still holding their own; no more getting to our destination and finding that the rain had got into the clothes, or, even worse, that bottle of milk that my Mum had packed into a case had leaked and all the clothes started smelling of rotten cheese.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauxh...ll_Cresta_PC_de_Luxe_3294cc_February_1971.jpg

If I remember rightly, the Cresta PC had two speed wipers, electric screen wash, two speed heater fan and four headlights (wow). She also featured chrome surrounds to the windows, part walnut dashboard and a central rear armrest, but no radio. Although its 3.3 straight six put out 140 bhp, that was a gross (SAE) figure and its nett (DIN) output was a somewhat less than impressive 122. Still, it made a good relaxed cruiser which was ideal for going on holiday. I never got round to asking why he bought such a big car, but I later found out that there was a degree of method to his madness.

My Mum returned to work in 1966, my brother being born in 1961. In the meantime, my parents had decided that they were going to have a go at a business, sold the house and bought the lease on a shop in Stretford, just over a mile from Old Trafford. It should have been an ideal location for a Sweets and Tobacconist shop. People going to work, or football or cricket, most of who took the bus (bus stop across the road) or the train (station just round the corner). All was going to plan when the Council dropped the bombshell that the Chester Road/Edge Lane junction was was going to be widened and, even worse, they were going to knock the shops down over the road and build an Arndale Centre. Being 1966 my Dad got his job back and my Mum applied for a teaching job, ending up just south of Stockport. By 1969 though, my Mum had applied for a more responsible position at another school and now needed a car.

At this stage, the world's most honest man came up with a cunning plan. He needed to use a car for work and unless you were a salesman or company director, you didn't get a firm's car but used your own for a fixed mileage allowance. As this went on the basis of engine size, using the Austin 1100 would gain him less money. Unless..........he put his car down as the 3.3 litre Cresta, but use the Austin. He did this for several years until he started buying smaller cars for his own use. He reckoned that gaining the allowance for a 3 litre car actually paid for it.

That same year the 1100 went and a brand new Vuaxhall Viva HB (MJA 610G) arrived. Only two doors, but a far more up to date interior and even a collapsible steering column, although, generally speaking, small cars still had drum brakes and cross ply tyres, they did seem to be more up to date than previous models.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauxhall_Viva#/media/File:Vauxhall_Viva_HB_cropped.jpg

Although this car had front seat belts, as a smaller car there was little in the way of luxury, in fact we were still probably hovering around the same levels of equipment as the Austin 1100.

Woo-hoo! Roll on the '70s
 
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