if i call my dr its 3 weeks to get an appointment maybe it would be different if i worked for nhs instead of being self employed if i cant work no one pays me sick pay. mine also close at 6. so if you need some thing quick you have to go sit in walking centre for 4 hours.

there maybe sick benefits now but if you have a partner working min wage more than 24 hrs a week you wont get them for long no matter how sick you are.

lets just ignore the suicides of the disabled who had their payments cut and take the sod you jack I'm aright attitude when voting

with retirement age going up people who do hard work that takes a toll on their body will have to spend all theirs on care if they are luck enough to live that long. but lets not worry about them and take the sod you jack I'm aright attitude when voting.

mums used to have home work jobs sewing them 1000's of knickers so they could support their families and still be at home to make sure the kids were not out causing problems for others, lets not worry about them and take the sod you jack I'm aright attitude when voting.

I don't believe no one applied for the receptionist job, more like their CV's were thrown out because they didn't match some silly rule like be less than 1 page or have no experience so cant get a foot in the door.

dave said:

if i call my dr its 3 weeks to get an appointment maybe it would be different if i worked for nhs instead of being self employed if i cant work no one pays me sick pay. mine also close at 6. so if you need some thing quick you have to go sit in walking centre for 4 hours.

there maybe sick benefits now but if you have a partner working min wage more than 24 hrs a week you wont get them for long no matter how sick you are.

lets just ignore the suicides of the disabled who had their payments cut and take the sod you jack I'm aright attitude when voting

with retirement age going up people who do hard work that takes a toll on their body will have to spend all theirs on care if they are luck enough to live that long. but lets not worry about them and take the sod you jack I'm aright attitude when voting.

mums used to have home work jobs sewing them 1000's of knickers so they could support their families and still be at home to make sure the kids were not out causing problems for others, lets not worry about them and take the sod you jack I'm aright attitude when voting.

I don't believe no one applied for the receptionist job, more like their CV's were thrown out because they didn't match some silly rule like be less than 1 page or have no experience so cant get a foot in the door.

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What has any of that got to do with being in the EU?
I'm well paid full time and my wife works part time but still got sick pay when she was off last year.

g8rpi said:

What has any of that got to do with being in the EU?

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its a reply to the post above it

you will get sick pay if employed as you are still employed its when that illness gets so bad you get laid off or are self employed an need some help from the state that took your tax and NI you will find people are in the poo. all due to cuts made to prop up the country money many believe would not need to have been made if we wasn't in the eu paying them more than we get in return.

g8rpi said:

What has any of that got to do with being in the EU?
I'm well paid full time and my wife works part time but still got sick pay when she was off last year.

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Seconded, just sounds like Dave Wants to spout unrelated nonsense he's picked out of the paper.


Just to pick up on some points mentioned though

1. Your GP is crap change it.

2. Plenty of people get sick pay and statutory sick pay and if you're self employed you'll get SSP as well, if on long term sick and self employed then get personal sickness cover, my brother is self employed and this is exactly what he's done.

3. No idea ?something you've picked out of a paper but clearly have nothing todo with the discussion had or the issue on Europe.

4. Get a private pension, the world have changed the country is over £1.5tr in debt, you definitely need to be looking to take care of your self and not relying that the state will one day look after you.
Yes from 1948 we've had the pension and benefits and the NHS but with cuts going the way they are, I can't imagine they will be around for ever no matter if we're in Europe or not.

5. Woman these days still can work from home, more so than ever and earning a damn sight more than sewing a few pairs of knickers (actually your comment on this is quite insulting) we have technology and phones and the Internet and everything anyone needs to work anywhere in the world if they want.

6. Literally no one applied for the job, they employed a temp from an agency for a couple of months, hoping they would be able to take them on but that person turmed out to be a terrible receptionist so they changed the structure of the business so that the two receptionists we did have could manage the work of 3.

Finally, non of this has anything to do with Europe or being in or out of Europe.

Leaving Europe isn't going to suddenly mean you can get a GP appointmen, give people sick pay or improve benefits, create jobs or get us a receptionist.

Any money saved if we leave Europe will get wasted on bureaucracy trying to put all the laws in place will need and pay politicians to about arguing for years to come.

If we stay in then nothing will change and it will all carry on as it is now.

You're not voting for a government and a vote against the eu won't make a jot of difference to who governs our country at the moment, if Cameron stepped down another moron like Osborn will take his place

AndyRKett said:

If we stay in then nothing will change and it will all carry on as it is now.

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exactly we stay going down the pan until we end up in the sewer.

i give up most are blind to the bigger picture and so selfish is today's society they will only vote for what is good for them and theirs and not for the country as a whole.

the only use i have for news papers is to line litter trays, i rarely read one apart from the local paper in the barbers.

Perhaps people are looking at the bigger picture but the majority of the issues you are soapboxing about are on a par with making the statement "if we leave the EU we'll have better weather because Brussels won't meddle in it".

If you could produce an argument that linked those things directly to the EU rather than decisions taken by our local government, abuse of the nhs by those who don't need it, and global economic conditions then you may find it gets more traction.

Its a lose, lose vote which ever way you look at it as nobody really knows for sure. From a personal view and how I see it affecting us I will vote out for reasons of making our own laws and chucking out this ridiculous human rights law (yes I know it has some good points) as it costs us fortunes in many ways. I expect it to cause us some loses to begin with but most of the arguments for don't seem strong enough to me. I cant see there being a war just because we don't belong to a little club, how many people go to Europe and benefit from roaming charges or cheap holidays that cant talk a little less about nothing or holiday in the UK to boost the economy for a change. I'm also old enough to remember before (just) and how its changed over the years. I think we made a mistake joining and lost our links with the commonwealth that made us so strong in the first place. We are less respected than we were in the past and have become a less influential nation over the years and lets face it rarely do the Europeans back us in war or any of our arguments anyway. We can open better trade deals with China, India, Japan and the US to name but a few. We may lose some of the current car industry but we can always give them tax breaks and become a haven for large corporations that currently don't want to be here due to all the red tape and taxes. The EU control much of this, we could lower VAT if we opted out. We could even make our own car industry again as we had a great one before the EU, remember all the things we've lost and weigh that against all the things we have gained. But in the end it must be a personal decision based on what you think is best, that's why we have free, secret voting in the UK and law systems the rest of the world try to follow. We used to be an example to the rest of the world and we can again, think of your children when you decide, not about you. Immigration used to be a good thing and still can be, as long as we control it to our benefit. where would you be without your Indian Doctor and how many of you have European Doctors? Ill shut up now

I don't think it would make any difference at all to us, the MOT is designed to work for cars used in this country and we already have several major manufacturers with vested interests in the UK in fact it might actually make new cars slightly cheaper as import duty would have to change.

Well when it comes to Formula 1, the team bosses said that it won't make a big difference because most of the F1 technology is based in the UK. So, if that high tech F1 technology is based in the UK i guess that most of the UK manufacturers have their technology based in the UK as well. Just my 2 cents.

I'm out. Everyone I know with exception to 1 person is out too.

Gavv8 said:

I don't think it would make any difference at all to us, the MOT is designed to work for cars used in this country and we already have several major manufacturers with vested interests in the UK in fact it might actually make new cars slightly cheaper as import duty would have to change.

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We don't pay import duty on cars from the EU so how would it makes cars cheaper if we leave?

g8rpi said:

We don't pay import duty on cars from the EU so how would it makes cars cheaper if we leave?

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I think I might be confusing myself with VAT, personally i'm in the 'couldn't care less either way' camp so I won't be voting.

Gavv8 said:

I think I might be confusing myself with VAT, personally i'm in the 'couldn't care less either way' camp so I won't be voting.

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Do the EU actually have any control over VAT? Seem to remember our government unilaterally lowered it to 15% as a stimulus during the credit crunch although I may be wrong.

the government say farmers are one group of people that benefit the most from being in the EU because of subsidies, but this cant be true as every farmer i speak to says better off out, and every farm i drive past have vote leave signs in their fields.

AndyRKett said:

We all knew people growing up who didn't work after losing their jobs in recessions and spent the rest of there life on the sick. Someone I went to school with back in the 80s, father literally did nothing for the rest of his life when the factory he worked in closed down and he spent the next 20 years watching tv and smoking, eventually dying from complications of the latter.

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how come people can remember things like people going long term sick but forget it was the governments way of reducing the unemployment figures back in the 80's. By putting as many unemployed onto the sick as possible to make it look like they reduced unemployment. instead of investing in these people with retraining and helping industries to employ them.

dave said:

the government say farmers are one group of people that benefit the most from being in the EU because of subsidies, but this cant be true as every farmer i speak to says better off out, and every farm i drive past have vote leave signs in their fields.

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They impose nothing but limits. And as a result sometimes offer "token" handouts as compensation. All to artificially inflate the price of food and keep it less competitive with other countries.

Farmers are obviously sick to death of it all, and quite rightly so.

ChrisUK said:

They impose nothing but limits. And as a result sometimes offer "token" handouts as compensation. All to artificially inflate the price of food and keep it less competitive with other countries.

Farmers are obviously sick to death of it all, and quite rightly so.

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so if we vote out we could give our farmers the money direct to build in flood control. put more crops under glass or plastic, install wind turbines to power grow lamps to use when light is poor, then we will have food we don't have to import on fossil fuel burning ships. also put animals back out in the fields the EU pays them not to use instead of tiny sheds.
we might them also get young people interested in going into farming as a career again.

I'll be voting that we come OUT of the EU. Firstly if the EU is as brilliant as Cameron wants us to believe it is how come we didn't adopt the Euro and have a common currency ? We kept the Pound because it's stronger round the WHOLE WORLD!!

Secondly if it is as great as they make us out to believe how come it hasn't gone worldwide in this day and age and everyone is in a single union ?

Russia or America aren't in the EU and do great business world wide so does Japan, yet our industry has virtually disappeared since belonging to the EU. We are one of THE biggest markets worldwide, we don't need to be governed by Brussels on what we can/can't export/import and at what prices. Does anyone REALLY believe that if we left ALL the countries that do business with us are going to a) Stop or b) demand silly prices ?

I doubt it as it would mean they would lose business and we would probably source elsewhere. We don't have any control of what we can/can't do as it's DICTATED by a group of FOREIGN powers. Our single vote in the EU means that any laws/rules which we don't agree with or would benefit us can't be stopped if other countries want it in.

Leave the EU, take back control of GREAT BRITAIN and actually make our PM's work for a living instead of being payed to agree with Brussels (most of the time).

Zeewulf said:

<SNIP>
Our single vote in the EU means that any laws/rules which we don't agree with or would benefit us can't be stopped if other countries want it in.
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Britian has a VETO in the EU on most things so "we" CAN stop things we don't like. The problem is politicians not doing what we (as individuals) think they should. That will be the same in or out.

g8rpi said:

Britian has a VETO in the EU on most things so "we" CAN stop things we don't like. The problem is politicians not doing what we (as individuals) think they should. That will be the same in or out.

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Have a read, we voted NO 23 times and abstained 18 times and yet they all still went through....

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/599473/EU-Britain-five-years