pooroldcodger said:

Agreed.......but I'm with your Dad on that one!
But the Cossie will be faster and more practical.
Use the Clarkson test - your are taking Kristin Scott-Thomas out for dinner (insert lady of your choice).
Which would she be more impressed with?

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They both have their own merits and claims to be classic, arguably the greatest homolagation specials of all time and well an E-type needs no introduction.

If it was Ford Sierra 1.6L then that has no right to be mentioned in the same breath as an e-type.

For want of a better way of putting it, you could say that classic cars fall into 2 categories: 1 being cars which were always aspired to, both when modern and as a valuable classic, ie the E-Type; the 2nd category being cars which were designed to be affordable transport for the masses, and which have now become rare due to age and being seen as nothing more than disposable white goods, ie the Panda and Sierra.

For me personally, it's the latter category which holds by far the most interest, but there is cars from the former category that I like.

Fresh confession.

I saw a Vauxhall Astra today (rare as, I know), like, one of the little hatchback type ones. And no joke, it had a touring car style spoiler on the rear. It was mounted on the boot bodywork with metal braces, and held up with like, cables.

It was so stupid and ugly and insane I almost liked it!

Not the Astra though. Had ugly spray painted bright blue bits.

puntofan01 said:

I must admit, I would actually consider that to be a classic!

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Is this a future classic? Really? Or should it be cubed like the rest of its brethren?

StevenRB45 said:

Is this a future classic? Really? Or should it be cubed like the rest of its brethren?

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Yep, that'll be a classic 1 day.

StevenRB45 said:

Is this a future classic? Really? Or should it be cubed like the rest of its brethren?

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My older brother had an M-reg one from new....

It looked really good back when it was new, three year later it had untold problems and looked terrible... Except he looked after it quite well so it wasn't through mistreatment.

In any case the car, although looked good was a bag of crap so it need making into bean cans

My parents had a 1994 Escort 1.6: funnily enough, that was a piece of junk as well. They had it 2.5 years before trading it in for their old Punto, which gave good service for over 8 years.

It can be hard to spot the future classics. Thirty years ago my dad bought a factory Morris Minor convertible for £5 kept it going until it was fit for scrap and duly did. That car would be worth £15,000+ if it was repaired or restored.

What's worthless now could be worthwhile in a few years.

Take the Fiat Panda for example.

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My parents had a 1994 Escort 1.6: funnily enough, that was a piece of junk as well. They had it 2.5 years before trading it in for their old Punto, which gave good service for over 8 years.

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So what about it qualifies as a classic? It's not the first, the fastest, best or even memorable. I've driven one as well got it as a courtesy car when my 1st punto sprang a radiator leak it is still after 12 years (and after driving both a knackered Hyundai X2 and a Mitsubishi Mirage) easily the most rubbish thing I've ever experienced. The fact that even in posting a picture of a similar car (same colour no less) I forgot I'd driven one until Andy's mention of an M reg brought it back shows how memorable it was.

StevenRB45 said:

So what about it qualifies as a classic? It's not the first, the fastest, best or even memorable. I've driven one as well got it as a courtesy car when my 1st punto sprang a radiator leak it is still after 12 years (and after driving both a knackered Hyundai X2 and a Mitsubishi Mirage) easily the most rubbish thing I've ever experienced. The fact that even in posting a picture of a similar car (same colour no less) I forgot I'd driven one until Andy's mention of an M reg brought it back shows how memorable it was.

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It's age and rarity. Give it a few years, and all the neglected escorts will be scrapped/banger raced, so only cherished examples will be left, and by this point, escorts will be rare.

A 1994 escort cosworth is an. Appreciating classic and there is a roaring trade in anything to do with these car, however a 1994 1.6 is not and never will be a classic*

Keeping any car requires a lot of time money and space. Plenty of people have 'classic cars' rotting in there front garden and even more so if you class every old ford from the 80s and 90s a classic

I'm all for saving the xr-cars and the cosworth, GTI Gte etc etc but why bother with the shopping and school run cars


*give it 90 years and you can then call it a classic

AndyRKett said:

I'm all for saving the xr-cars and the cosworth, GTI Gte etc etc but why bother with the shopping and school run cars

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Why not? Not everybody is bothered about going fast, and as someone else mentioned, a lot of the classic car hobby is driven by nostalgia, and that tends to be more associated with the more everyday models.

AndyRKett said:

A 1994 escort cosworth is an. Appreciating classic and there is a roaring trade in anything to do with these car, however a 1994 1.6 is not and never will be a classic*

Keeping any car requires a lot of time money and space. Plenty of people have 'classic cars' rotting in there front garden and even more so if you class every old ford from the 80s and 90s a classic

I'm all for saving the xr-cars and the cosworth, GTI Gte etc etc but why bother with the shopping and school run cars


*give it 90 years and you can then call it a classic

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Because as my Panda Fizz recently demonstrated if there is anything being filmed from that period you need a prop' in the kind of condition the car would have been at the time. For example you can't turn up with a rusty pile of crap of a 1992 Escort Bonus if the set is supposed to be 1993

Liquid Knight said:

Because as my Panda Fizz recently demonstrated if there is anything being filmed from that period you need a prop' in the kind of condition the car would have been at the time. For example you can't turn up with a rusty pile of crap of a 1992 Escort Bonus if the set is supposed to be 1993

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I'm all for cars with character becoming classics..look at the mini. But there is a difference between classic and old that difference is not only time.

Appearing in the back ground of a period drama is not the same as being a classic.

It does add to the argument for cooking fat models being preserved. When they were filming Kingdom near by they desperately wanted a burgundy Peugeot 405GRD estate as it was written into the story line. With more attention to details like the prop' vehicles used for lead characters if these aren't available it can ruin a whole production.

Steve Coogan was a stickler for getting the prop' cars just right. The car adds to the character.

Alan Partridge was a Lexus driver before he had to downgrade to a Rover. Walter White was a Pontiac Aztec driver before he broke bad and got a Hemi Hellcat.

Without these cars kept for prosperity those shows would have been different to say the least.

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It does add to the argument for cooking fat models being preserved. When they were filming Kingdom near by they desperately wanted a burgundy Peugeot 405GRD estate as it was written into the story line. With more attention to details like the prop' vehicles used for lead characters if these aren't available it can ruin a whole production.

Steve Coogan was a stickler for getting the prop' cars just right. The car adds to the character.

Alan Partridge was a Lexus driver before he had to downgrade to a Rover. Walter White was a Pontiac Aztec driver before he broke bad and got a Hemi Hellcat.

Without these cars kept for prosperity those shows would have been different to say the least.

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I don't have any issue with people preserving them as a curiosity or a relic or a remainder totally fine with that. They still shouldn't be called a "classic" or a "future classic" is an old washing machine a classic? Or is it an old washing machine?

Depends. An original Kirby in good condition as used by Freddie Mercury in "I want to break free" would be worth a grand or two now.

I doubt a Dyson will survive to be collectible unless it's new old stock and never used.

StevenRB45 said:

I don't have any issue with people preserving them as a curiosity or a relic or a remainder totally fine with that. They still shouldn't be called a "classic" or a "future classic" is an old washing machine a classic? Or is it an old washing machine?

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Of course it's a classic! Things like that should be preserved and put in museums!

If to production companies want a specific car then they will find one, they will if necessary pull one out of a scrap yard and if required pay for a full restoration just for that production, so that really isn't a problem to the to companies.

If they want something specific that is difficult to find there are companies who have fleets of old cars or they can go to the manufacture and look to borrow something as most manufacturers have a heritage fleet.

A friend of mine had his house used a number of times in kingdom, they turned up at his door one day and just asked to use it (obviously paying a tidy fee)

Afriend of my wife has a 60s mini he rents out to the to and movie industry the last film being the theory of everything and bits of to work all the time.

If it's in the background they can make a car look good enough for tv in half a day it doesn't have to be a perfect example.

Liquid Knight said:

Depends. An original Kirby in good condition as used by Freddie Mercury in "I want to break free" would be worth a grand or two now.



I doubt a Dyson will survive to be collectible unless it's new old stock and never used.

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Two points about this comment 1. Old Kirbys can be picked up on eBay for £15 and have looked the same since the 1920s so no they are no a couple of grand.

2. Dysons are already collectable, people will collect anything and dysons are much easier to collect that 1980/90s fords