so my croma tax will go down from £265.00 to £140?
No, only applies to new cars bought after April 2017. Same as cars registered before 2001 are still on the old non Co2 based system
so my croma tax will go down from £265.00 to £140?
Yep.... And ?
It isn't the purpose of road tax to penalise someone for having a gas guzzling car, you see those who drive be gas guzzling cars also have to pay a huge amount in fuel duty.
A big car doing 20mpg versus a little car doing 60mpg is paying 3 times as much fuel duty.
But when it comes to the amount of space used on the road a little car needs the same gap in front and behind as a big car.
so its still a tax on the poor then
. Hence, why an engine size based tax system is the fairest and least abusable way to charge road tax.
But somebody driving a 20mpg car is already paying 3 times as much fuel duty as someone in a 60mpg car, so that won't change. However, people who chose to buy a needlessly huge car should pay more to use the road. It's only fair. Hence, why an engine size based tax system is the fairest and least abusable way to charge road tax.
so its still a tax on the poor then
I'd love to know how the new system is a "tax on the poor" because your tax on your 10 year old croma won't change.
The money raised from the new system will go into a pot specifically to maintain the roads unlike the old and current systems that pay the money into a central government pot and is spent on other things.
Basically the new system will be a payment, to give you the right to drive your vehicle on the road, and it's he same amount no matter what vehicle you have. As I said times have changed and the focus on reducing emissions has moved from owner to manufacturers hence the big first year premiums on the most polluting cars.
How can you possibly categorise what is needlessly large car?? Each persons requirements are different.
If someone can afford to have a nice car and spoil themselves because they can why should that person be penalised for that? Why should they have some angry lad staring out the window of their Punto thinking they should be paying more for having that.
Not so much tax on the poor, as tax on the ungreedy: those of us whom drive city cars, superminis, and certain compact family cars pay more tax, those who feel the need to buy a completely unnecessary car that's over 5 years old pay less tax!
I agree that it's down to manufacturers to reduce emissions, it's still down to buyers to purchase economical cars in the first place, and that doesn't change however old a car gets! A completely unnecessary brand new car will remain a completely unnecessary car all whilst it's on the road.
Ok then, explain why someone whom feels the need to drive a huge range rover (normally very badly!) SHOULDN'T pay more than someone who just drives a modest Vauxhall Viva or VW Up to get to work in?
Define "unnecessary car" my next door neighbour has a Range Rover but is a business owner who make numerous trips back and forwards to the cash and carry, he also has a family making a van impractical for the job. It's a good looking car and he has large logos down the side to advertise his business, and we live in a rural location which can at times make it necessary to have a 4x4....Not so much tax on the poor, as tax on the ungreedy: those of us whom drive city cars, superminis, and certain compact family cars pay more tax, those who feel the need to buy a completely unnecessary car that's over 5 years old pay less tax!
Yes, those of us who drive citycars pay more tax. Wtf? My 500 is 30 pounds a year. As usual your arguments are extremely poorly thought out....
Are you aware you pay the tax man 20k or there abouts just to take a range rover out of the showroom?
Define "unnecessary car" my next door neighbour has a Range Rover but is a business owner who make numerous trips back and forwards to the cash and carry, he also has a family making a van impractical for the job. It's a good looking car and he has large logos down the side to advertise his business, and we live in a rural location which can at times make it necessary to have a 4x4....
So tell me how that is an unnecessary car?
Not to mention that cheap cars get scrapped early, for example grande puntos are now reaching the point that people are scrapping them if they break down or fail there MOT. However super cars and big 4x4s tend to go on forever, landrover quote something like 85% of cars they have ever made are still in regular use.
The final point I need to make about your little city car is that a petrol grande punto with a 1.4 engine like yours is £130 to tax per year alread with its 134g/km of Co2
Where as the 3 cars we have in my house hold produce 330g/km between them (119g, 112g and 99g) and at least 2 cars are in constant use most of the time. Yet for all three cars will only pay a grand total of £60 a year to tax them all. I do t think you can exactly claim that a CO2 based system is very fair either.
With regards to your 1st point, there's numerous 4wd estate cars which I dare say would meet his needs just as well.
With regards to your 2nd comment: your point being?
With regards to your 3rd comment, hence why I said we should go to an engine size based tax system in the 1st place!!!!!!
Your 1st point, his last car was an Audi A4 Quattro 3.0 diesel estate, no less polluting than his Land Rover but not big enough for those big cash and carry runs, the whole reason for buying the RR was it was the most practical car to meet his needs without compromising in any areas. The real question is who gave you the right to decide what is necessary? Your grande is in a comparatively high tax band with its 134g/km could you not have bought something with a smaller engine more efficient, a smaller car? As maxi pointed out his 500 is £30 a year to tax why didn't you buy one of those?
There are definite double standards at play.
My 2nd comment point being big 4x4s don't get scraped at anywhere near the rate of small cheap cars meaning they save on the pollution caused when the are built and when they are scraped, when your grande is dripping oil and other nasties in a scrap yard somewhere, most 4x4s new and very old will still be on the road.
Your 3rd point: we had an engine sized based system before 2001, a small car was about £120 a year to tax and a big car about £200 a year. And the cut off between the two was 1500cc however that meant that you could end up with little cars that polluted a lot because there was no incentive to make them clean, and the biggest clean running cars would still cost more. If you look at the stats for my 10 year old 1.3 diesel punto versus my 2.0 diesel golf you'll see they are almost exactly the same, when the golf weighs 500kg more so why charge more for the golf to be taxed when it's no less efficient than an older 1.3 litre much smaller car ?
Final point; it's pretty clear that once again you're just trolling the forums with your nonsense. You didn't even know about these rule changes till a few hours ago but you still seem to think you know best.... In fact it took you 3 minutes to decide you knew best as you can see from the timings of the posts.
With regards to my Grande, yes, a Panda would do the job, but they score relatively badly for passive safety. With regards to why I didn't buy a newer, smaller engined, lower emissions car like a 500: simple! I couldn't afford 1!! But you can't exactly compare a Grande Punto to a range rover or s-class, etc. Your comment about double standards is complete and utter bs, I'm afraid.
With regards to your 2nd comment: how's that necessarily true? Some people drive 20 year old superminis, the same as some people drive 20 year old 4x4s.
With regards to your 3rd comment, I have already said that I completely agree that emissions should be strictly controlled by legislation, but at a more realistically achievable level. However, people who can't afford the latest models should be penalised for it, which is the way it currently stands.
With regards to your final comment, please explain why in 2023, a commuter driving a 6 year old city car or supermini, or a family person driving a 6 year old diesel mondeo should face the same road tax burden as someone driving a hulking great 6 year old rolls royce?
In the future, if you are going to accuse me of spouting nonsense, at least have the decency to ask me to explain my opinions before giving me your big headed lectures.
This whole scandal reinforces the need for the emissions/road tax rulebook to be rewritten.
With regards to the official test, the test should measure actual fuel consumption, rather than calculating it from CO2 emissions. The test should be carried out on a track designed to replicate real roads and as such, should include hills, etc, and the test should make turbocharged cars use their turbos. The test may be expensive to create and implement, but at least it would be more accurate.
With regards to road tax, it should be based on engine size, not emissions.
Going by what you say, any huge, gas guzzling, road hogging car over 5 years old wouldn't be any more expensive to tax than a Fiat Panda?
However, people who chose to buy a needlessly huge car should pay more to use the road. It's only fair.