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Re: Volkswagen emissions scandal

Some thoughts.

If the cars do not comply with the emission standards required when sold, could they therefore be illegal to be on the road. This would require VW either to modify them to meet the standards, which may be difficult, or they would have met them already, or they could be forced to buy them back. Perhaps replace with new ones that do meet the standards.

The authorities could leave the cars on the road, but re-assess the taxation on them. So if any UK cars are affected, they may suddenly have their tax hiked, making them expensive. Could be a few cheap used one around shortly.

The car manufacturers do not generally make their own injection systems. For VW, the injectors and pump, etc., are probably Bosch. So don't Bosch have a big hand in the way the ECU is programmed? And don't they also provide such products and services to a lot of other manufacturers. If between VW and Bosch they can't actually manufacture an engine that is clean enough, how can anyone else? Do the others really know something VW don't? Or could this affect nearly every recent diesel car?

If Bosch knew about this, have they provided the same "defeat" service to others.

For years now diesel owners have been proudly stating that "newer diesels are so much cleaner". Perhaps not? Oops!
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Some thoughts.

If the cars do not comply with the emission standards required when sold, could they therefore be illegal to be on the road. This would require VW either to modify them to meet the standards, which may be difficult, or they would have met them already, or they could be forced to buy them back. Perhaps replace with new ones that do meet the standards.

The authorities could leave the cars on the road, but re-assess the taxation on them. So if any UK cars are affected, they may suddenly have their tax hiked, making them expensive. Could be a few cheap used one around shortly.

The car manufacturers do not generally make their own injection systems. For VW, the injectors and pump, etc., are probably Bosch. So don't Bosch have a big hand in the way the ECU is programmed? And don't they also provide such products and services to a lot of other manufacturers. If between VW and Bosch they can't actually manufacture an engine that is clean enough, how can anyone else? Do the others really know something VW don't? Or could this affect nearly every recent diesel car?

If Bosch knew about this, have they provided the same "defeat" service to others.

For years now diesel owners have been proudly stating that "newer diesels are so much cleaner". Perhaps not? Oops!

this is where me and the engineer came to at work....

older pegeots had the adblue piss tank hidden in the car too....

me thinks many big players are on with the same game..

look at book MPG consumption vs real driving its way off...
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look at book MPG consumption vs real driving its way off...
That's old news! Personally, I think a lot of it is down to unrealistic EU CO2 targets, resulting in manufacturers tuning cars to perform amazingly well in the official emissions tests, which results in mpg figures completely unachievable in the real world. I think the unrealistic mpg figures have only become a major problem with cars designed in the last 5 or so years.
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That's old news! Personally, I think a lot of it is down to unrealistic EU CO2 targets, resulting in manufacturers tuning cars to perform amazingly well in the official emissions tests, which results in mpg figures completely unachievable in the real world. I think the unrealistic mpg figures have only become a major problem with cars designed in the last 5 or so years.
The issue is you burn more fuel you don't just produce more CO2. You produce more of everything, if you're missing your consumption target by 40% then you're probably missing your other targets by a wide margin...especially if your anti pollution devices aren't even active.
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Well, this has certainly gone viral now.

Whatever the truth of the matter, the press pack has got the scent of blood and I doubt they'll let go of this anytime soon.

Remember the comparative economics of any particular fuel type are influenced more by fiscal policy than by the merits of the technology. Governments worldwide could remove any financial incentive to owning diesel powered cars at the stroke of a pen.

Given the sentiments currently being expressed in the press, and the natural tendency of most exchequers to sieze any opportunity for additional revenue collection, I'd say buying a diesel passenger car today in the belief that it will save you money in the long run is either very brave, or very foolish.

I don't feel sorry for the manufacturers - they brought this on themselves. I do feel sorry for the owners who were incentivised into buying into a technology that now seems flawed, and will doubtless lose out financially as a result, and I feel even more sorry for the folks who will become ill or die as a result of this malpractice.
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BMW and Mercedes are being cited as being involved in the same practices this morning, my prediction is that ford and or GM (Vauxhall) will be next in the firing line.
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The issue is you burn more fuel you don't just produce more CO2. You produce more of everything, if you're missing your consumption target by 40% then you're probably missing your other targets by a wide margin...especially if your anti pollution devices aren't even active.
I know that, I was just saying it's old news that the official mpg figures are pretty much meaningless.
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what are the chances of all the new low emission commercials being affected and if they are what will happen to low emission zones if its found no one can meet the requirements, how will cities function?
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what are the chances of all the new low emission commercials being affected and if they are what will happen to low emission zones if its found no one can meet the requirements, how will cities function?
So far only VW light commercials are implicated, hopefully they all won't have been as daft. If they have the government will face a choice between maintenance of life as we know it and principles/public health Cameron has no principles other than pandering to the news papers so whatever they decide is the right choice will happen.

Assuming they all did it, you couldn't take all the non-compliant cars and vans off the road tomorrow the economy would stop. So then what? Reclassify their tax at a higher level based on their actual emissions and charge the difference between tax paid and tax owing to the manufacturer? Would work as a per vehicle fine quite nicely.
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Top man at Porsche is now in the hot seat at Volkswagen but I think he's got a long hard road ahead of him though

@dave makes a very good point, I wonder if this will effect congestion zones at all? Not particularly in London but I'm sure there are other countries doing similar schemes like London.

Also remember when a judge in the UK said that anyone who was mis sold PPI could get compo? Does this mean that were all gonna get bombarded with textes from the "blame claimers" telling us that there's £2853 waiting to be claimed and that all we need to do is call a number?
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So yeah I pick it up Wednesday.

I await my tax rebate

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So yeah I pick it up Wednesday.

I await my tax rebate

EDIT: Dont know why the pic is the wrong way either

It's like mine but with more metal round the top
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