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More misery for diesel drivers......
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more misery - but wait
leaving an engine running while your not there is against the highway code anyway
Even a petrol engine owner could be still done exactly the same
Ziggy
leaving an engine running while your not there is against the highway code anyway
Even a petrol engine owner could be still done exactly the same
Ziggy
sounds about right, wonder what they do about people with flat batteries
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TBH I applaud the idea as I have never understood the point of sitting in a car with the engine running or loading/unloading one with the engine running.
Only time I do it is in France if it's very hot and if sat waiting in the car and need to keep the inside temp. down to a reasonable level using the air con for the benefit of whoever is in the car and the dog.
yes i've got to agree with MJG as well , i don't see the point in sitting in a stationary car for 10minutes with the motor running as well as not being very good for the environment it's just a waste of fuel , you may as well just throw your money away
I have to agree as well, as it seems to be mostly aimed at mums outside school most of which (at least round here) seem to drive either great big 4x4s or 7 seat people carriers for their 2 children because "we have children we need a people carrier!"
In anycase it's their own little darlings they're poisening "oh Tarquin remind mummy to get some gm free organic fair trade pistachios from waitrose on the way home"
Seriously though there is no need to sit chucking out soot one end while burning a finite resource at the other for the sake of keeping the radio on.
I don't understand the issue, it's not like stop start isn't common place on new cars, it's also not like you can't switch a car off whilst waiting and leave the ignition on 1 click for lights, radio, fans if you must.
Mrs has a diesel citroen the moment you put the handbrake on, put it in neutral, and release the clutch it switches off even if you have everything switched on. Switches straight back on the moment you touch the clutch. I really like it, as diesel rattle (you'd never know it wasn't a petrol my arse) at idle is bloody annoying, mrs on the other hand always holds it on the footbrake for minutes on end...
Mrs has a diesel citroen the moment you put the handbrake on, put it in neutral, and release the clutch it switches off even if you have everything switched on. Switches straight back on the moment you touch the clutch. I really like it, as diesel rattle (you'd never know it wasn't a petrol my arse) at idle is bloody annoying, mrs on the other hand always holds it on the footbrake for minutes on end...
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If I want to sit with my engine on I will. I've paid tax on my salary, to pay tax on the car. Then pay for the fuel in the car (again with Duty and VAT). I'll burn it how I see fit.... F***ing nanny state.
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What about warming up and cooling down. My brothers old cossy used to run up to five minutes after a thrash.
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Good news for Diesel drivers. The new Jaguar XE range only has manual gearboxes if you have a cement mixer engine. All petrol variants have automatic boxes. 
So you can have a petrol but not drive it or have a manual and slap mother nature in the face every time you turn the wheel.
So you can have a petrol but not drive it or have a manual and slap mother nature in the face every time you turn the wheel.
I bet MEP is laughing all the way to the bank..
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I do deliverys in my spare time, bit of extra dosh innit. I always leave my car running, 1 because it takes me 2 mins to pop in the shop get a new order and put it in a bag, 2 because even if I'm waiting I would he freezing my tits off outside in the car, 3 because I can't have the battery go flat or I don't get paid, 4 because all the Bluetooth, satnav etc turns off and de syncs when I turn it off which is a pain when turning back on
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Assuming no body is in the car with you the biggest risk you are taking there is not to the environment but to you having your car nicked, and worse finding your insurance wont pay up because you left the vehicle unattended with the keys left in it. It's often a specific exclusion in insurance policies.
2 minutes is a long time to leave a car with the keys in and the engine running, certainly long enough for some little darling who fancies a quick joy ride to jump in and make off with your car.
PS - Just noticed your location - do you do deliveries for Yodel?, a guy in a car just like yours made a delivery to us (I'm in Skelton) the other day.
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Easy enough to lock the door with your spare key when you get out . That's what I often do when we've got 2-3ft of Snow and -5*C outside
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Easy enough to lock the door with your spare key when you get out
Quite possibly, but I bet not everybody does, nor fully realises the risks they are taking with their insurance by leaving a car unattended with the keys in it.
Years ago I used to drive an old ford dormobile minibus for Calderdale council.
Despite the bus being only a few years olf, when the engine was running, you could simply pull the key out of the barrel.
In fact, any Ford key could unlock the door & start the engine.
Good old Ford
Despite the bus being only a few years olf, when the engine was running, you could simply pull the key out of the barrel.
In fact, any Ford key could unlock the door & start the engine.
Good old Ford
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Easy enough to lock the door with your spare key when you get out
I too am tempted to repeat this process myself
As daft as it sounds, you could get a bladed key copied for the car
So it'll turn locks and barrell
You simply flash the actual key for the car to the barrell at same time as the "no chipped key" that way then, IF they nicked the car first time they stall it
They have to turn the ignition off and back on again.... key code activated
The car comes to a rolling stop
You get the car recovered, you simply need a new key set - transfer the chips over and your car is like new again
Ziggy
When I worked for norwich Union back in 2001, there was a big legal case where a car was left on the garage forecourt with the key in but the owner had locked it with the remote, he had been warned about doing this by friends and family that it would invalidate his insurance but he ignored the warnings and carried on anyway, sure enough his porsche 911 was stolen and not recovered, norwich Union refused to pay out and he tried to sue...... Needless to say he lost the case and a brand new £80k porsche
So even if the car is locked you can still get into trouble.
And if it's left running on the road you can face prosecution, the ambulance service use systems which keep the engine running without the key but will cut the engine if any of the controls are used ie press the clutch to select a gear and the engine cuts out, this is because some vehicles have things things like fluid warmers and heaters that need to be on all the time to be effective so the engines need to be kept running
So even if the car is locked you can still get into trouble.
And if it's left running on the road you can face prosecution, the ambulance service use systems which keep the engine running without the key but will cut the engine if any of the controls are used ie press the clutch to select a gear and the engine cuts out, this is because some vehicles have things things like fluid warmers and heaters that need to be on all the time to be effective so the engines need to be kept running
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Not only that - there is alot of strobe lighting often still going on, along with normal sidelights/headlights so that the ambulance can still be seen
No engine running = High current draw = Dead battery
Tbh it wouldnt be a bad idea for cars to have a similar technology IF it couldnt be fiddled with
Ziggy
