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Just wondering if people think it's ok to use autism as some sort of insult?

Just wondering as it's something fairly close to my heart as i worked for Mencap for a while and dealt with some really fantastic young adults that were students at the college i worked at.

Is autism a laughing matter or something we should show some respect for?
 
Truth be known, we are ALL on the autistic spectrum somewhere.

It's like when people talk about "normal" - define "normal".
It's easy(easier?) when you look at science or maths and you can say that these things fall into the middle of this category - but when dealing with complex beings, things take on a different meaning.

People who lock their front door then rattle the handle...then do it again...then put their shoulder against it... is that normal?

People who go around turning off every socket in the house...

People who boil a kettle full of water just for one cup of tea - then re-boil the remaining water for their next cup - and so on until the kettle is empty - normal?
 
However, everything that is wrong with people is a laughing matter.

Its the way we are, we laugh at ourselves. We make jokes about ourselves and poke fun at ourselves and our disabilities.

Its just that some of us have a greater authority to poke this fun at ourselves than others :)
 
The problem with that analysis is that more often you got it right with the first sentence; "people" not ourselves.

It is the way it is, but we laugh at others. We make jokes about others and poke fun at others and their disabilities.....sadly.

I can remember Jasper Carrott on television making a joke about just this matter and ended by saying (something like) Laughter is still the best medicine, unless you're a Diabetic in which case a Mars Bar's pretty important".

A few years earlier I'd been diagnosed with Diabetes and had just found out that I was going to have to go onto Insulin. I thought it was very funny. But, if my wife had been diagnosed with cancer, or I'd been told I had a brain tumour it would be a different matter. Autism is something most of us don't understand, in fact I'd never even heard of it until about 10 years ago.

During my growing up years it was quite common for people with disabilities to be called names such as "Spack" or "Mong" or any one of a dozen different names and we didn't bat an eyelid. Looking back it seems incredibly insensitive but at the time it was just the way it was. Thankfully things have changed.

I do think, however, that it's quite ok to take the mick out of drunks and drug addicts because they're self inflicted wounds, but to treat a physical or mental disability that's not in any way the victim's fault is abhorrent as far as I'm concerned
 
I do think, however, that it's quite ok to take the mick out of drunks and drug addicts because they're self inflicted wounds

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/apr/03/heavy-drinkers-considered-nhs-liver-transplants

And, I'm seriously reconsidering my subscription to the donor register since I heard that serious consideration was being given to the handing out of free organs to replaced the failed (pickled) organs of alkies.:mad:
OK, so I'll be dead when they are whipping out my essentials & it won't really matter to me - but for now, I really object to someone getting such a fantastic gift when all they are going to do is carry on abusing it.
In fact, this very subject has caused a huge rift in the wife's family.
 
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/apr/03/heavy-drinkers-considered-nhs-liver-transplants

And, I'm seriously reconsidering my subscription to the donor register since I heard that serious consideration was being given to the handing out of free organs to replaced the failed (pickled) organs of alkies.:mad:
OK, so I'll be dead when they are whipping out my essentials & it won't really matter to me - but for now, I really object to someone getting such a fantastic gift when all they are going to do is carry on abusing it.
In fact, this very subject has caused a huge rift in the wife's family.

they can have mine if no one else needs it and they pay for the op, if they are changing the rules of who can have one then they should also change it so we can put these conditions on.
 
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/apr/03/heavy-drinkers-considered-nhs-liver-transplants

And, I'm seriously reconsidering my subscription to the donor register since I heard that serious consideration was being given to the handing out of free organs to replaced the failed (pickled) organs of alkies.:mad:
OK, so I'll be dead when they are whipping out my essentials & it won't really matter to me - but for now, I really object to someone getting such a fantastic gift when all they are going to do is carry on abusing it.
In fact, this very subject has caused a huge rift in the wife's family.
I can't help thinking that there's a big difference between taking the p**s out of someone who's drunk or stoned and denying them life because they've made a mistake. After all, I've been smoking for the last 40 years, does that mean I shouldn't be allowed a heart or lung transplant?

I think someone who's been an alcoholic should be allowed a kidney or liver transplant just as I should be allowed a lung transplant. But, and it's a big but, if I carry on smoking 20 a day, or the alcoholic goes back to 6 pints a day then they, and I, shouldn't get a second chance. After all, organs for transplant are among the most valuable commodity in the world today.

I grew up admiring George Best. Not only was he probably THE coolest man in Britain, he was also one of the 5 best players in the world at the time. But he was either one of the most stupid men in country.......or the weakest. He was the kind of person who doesn't deserve another chance at a transplant.
 
I can't help thinking that there's a big difference between taking the p**s out of someone who's drunk or stoned and denying them life because they've made a mistake. After all, I've been smoking for the last 40 years, does that mean I shouldn't be allowed a heart or lung transplant?

stop smoking now and in 1 year you are 50% less likely to need that heart transplant.
in 5 years your risk of having a stroke is the same as someone who doesn't smoke
It may take 10 years, but if you quit, eventually your risk of dying from lung cancer will drop to half that of a smoker's
Ten years after quitting, your risk of cancer of the mouth, throat, esophagus, bladder, kidney, and pancreas also decreases.
Fifteen years of non-smoking will bring your risk of heart disease back to the same level as someone who doesn't smoke. You'll no longer be at a higher-than-normal risk for a wide range of conditions like heart attack, coronary artery disease, arrhythmias, angina, infections of the heart, or conditions that affect your heart's beating rhythms.


book into a local no smoking clinic now (its 1 to 1 not group) and in 3 months you could be fag free for just the cost of 3 prescriptions! http://www.nhs.uk/smokefree
 
Just wondering if people think it's ok to use autism as some sort of insult?

Just wondering as it's something fairly close to my heart as i worked for Mencap for a while and dealt with some really fantastic young adults that were students at the college i worked at.

Is autism a laughing matter or something we should show some respect for?

People who laugh at those with disabilitys are just low life scum or those that have been bullied at school and take it out on those that are less able to give it back,

my son has Autism and hes now 20 hes got more qualifications than most lads his age,
 
my son has Autism and hes now 20 hes got more qualifications than most lads his age,

EVERYONE has autism just the level is different. At its lowest form its feeling awkward when someone sits where you usually do or parks in your favourite parking spot. At worse it controls your life.

Most people with Autism have an above average IQ and do well at school/Uni but can show a lack off 'common sense'. My 18 yr old daughter shows signs of OCD (Not enough to be diagnosed or affect her life too much, but noticeable). She is doing A levels at the local Grammar school having gotten A*'s in all her GCSE's and she is not the worse afflicted person in the school.
 
EVERYONE has autism just the level is different. At its lowest form its feeling awkward when someone sits where you usually do or parks in your favourite parking spot. At worse it controls your life.

Most people with Autism have an above average IQ and do well at school/Uni but can show a lack off 'common sense'. My 18 yr old daughter shows signs of OCD (Not enough to be diagnosed or affect her life too much, but noticeable). She is doing A levels at the local Grammar school having gotten A*'s in all her GCSE's and she is not the worse afflicted person in the school.

In the past, people would say things like "you don't like change do you?" or school/work reports would say things like "doesn't accept new things well"

The fact that most people feel comfortable with some routines etc would suggest your initial comment is spot on.
 
stop smoking now and in 1 year you are 50% less likely to need that heart transplant.
in 5 years your risk of having a stroke is the same as someone who doesn't smoke
It may take 10 years, but if you quit, eventually your risk of dying from lung cancer will drop to half that of a smoker's
Ten years after quitting, your risk of cancer of the mouth, throat, esophagus, bladder, kidney, and pancreas also decreases.
Fifteen years of non-smoking will bring your risk of heart disease back to the same level as someone who doesn't smoke. You'll no longer be at a higher-than-normal risk for a wide range of conditions like heart attack, coronary artery disease, arrhythmias, angina, infections of the heart, or conditions that affect your heart's beating rhythms.


book into a local no smoking clinic now (its 1 to 1 not group) and in 3 months you could be fag free for just the cost of 3 prescriptions! http://www.nhs.uk/smokefree
I don't doubt there are risks to smoking, just like driving without a seatbelt or crash helmet on a motor bike, and I do need to give up, but it's made very difficult being married to another smoker. It's a bit like an alcoholic coming home to the pub he lives in.

But I think we were sold a bit of a dummy on the altar political expediency. Tony Blair and his government came in with a promise to cut down on smoking and there was a concerted drive to put us off. Ever increasing duty, the threat to have all branding removed and the reality of large outlets like supermarkets having to hide the fags behind doors. This in fact removes the ability to select a brand with a lower tar and nicotine content. Not the same as giving up, but better than nothing. Then there were the grotesque photographs of people with cancer (presumably). Mind you, I presumed that these were of people within the NHS, perhaps local to me, but the effect wore off when I realised they were library photos and appeared on Spanish packets as well as those from other nations. Does that mean they actually were of people with cancer, or were they photoshopped?

In anticipation of less people smoking, that nice Mr. Brown decided that loosening the licencing laws would provide some compensation for lost revenue from tobacco. But, as the risk of appearing cynical loomed ever larger as a result of more people developing alcohol related illnesses (plus the realisation that not every pub in the land was going to open 24 hours a day) there was a de-regulation of gambling. So, less smokers but more people with alcohol related conditions and more people with a gambling habit.

Two years ago I bumped into an old friend who I hadn't seen for a decade. I asked about the family and it seems that his brother had died a few years earlier at the age of 39 Cirrhosis of the liver as a result of over 20 years of heavy drinking.

Worse still, last year I met another old friend and we went for a drink and I asked about the old mob. It seems that five of the blokes we used to knock around with had died of alcoholic conditions before the age of 50. I know we can't just believe that the world is the way only we perceive it, but if the weather forecast tells you it's going to pour down all day today and you look out of the window and see wall to wall sunshine, what do you believe, Sky News or your own eyes?

One of our neighbours has survived stomach cancer (just) and can't eat anything bigger than a few tablespoons of food at a time. Another bowel and bladder cancer and currently has to buy trousers that are way too big in order to conceal the catherer and stoma bags. A colleague had skin cancer and another throat cancer, while Mrs. Beard recently attended two funerals for colleagues one of whom suffered from a brain tumour and died at the age of 36 leaving a young wife and two small boys. Only one of those people had ever smoked. If 17% of the cancer sufferers we know personally smoked, that doesn't seem to make smoking the most serious health problem we face.

Yet of the 6 guys I knew who died of alcohol related conditions, 5 of them smoked but didn't get to the stage where the smokes would have killed them.

I do need to give up smoking I'm sure, and hopefully when Mrs. Beard decides to pack it in then I will too, but I'd like more transparency and honesty from governments when the subject of smoking comes up.

Finally, how many people are assaulted in the street because the assailant has smoked "too many" fags? Is there vomit in the street bacause of smokers? Are bus shelters smashed up because someone had one ciggie too many? When was the last time a house was burgled or a car stolen because the thief was desperate for a smoke?

However bad smoking is, I would argue it isn't any worse than drinking and drug taking. After all, smoking cigarettes never brings on mental illness which is more than can be said for drugs.
 
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Giving up smoking is very good for you apparently. It makes you feel better as the smoke gets into your blood and affects everything. I stopped smoking just over one and half years ago only because I found electronic cigarettes and I feel much better for it and still get the habit and nicotine and it doesn't affect those around me. It's cheaper and has more interesting flavours. But you need to buy a good one like green smoke as I've found some brands just don't give you the smoking feeling and hence you could start smoking again. And Beard if you and the missus chose the same brand you can share batteries and flavours to cut the cost even more. But I agree with what you say never met a smoker who has tried to harm anyone else like people on drugs and drink do.

As for Autism I also agree we all have a degree of this and there is a program about it on the iplayer and it's wrong to joke around people who have it in a negative way or use it as an insult directly at them. However insulting my friend using disability terms would seem acceptable to me and laughing at ones own disabilities can lighten the load and be very funny. Some of the best comedians I have seen have some serious disabilities and constantly use these in their material which in a way brings it out in the open and makes it more socially acceptable. I have Asian friends and black friends I joke with and them with me in a way that I wouldn't joke with people I don't know or around people I feel wouldn't find it acceptable.
 
I don't doubt there are risks to smoking, just like driving without a seatbelt or crash helmet on a motor bike, and I do need to give up, but it's made very difficult being married to another smoker. It's a bit like an alcoholic coming home to the pub he lives in.


I do need to give up smoking I'm sure, and hopefully when Mrs. Beard decides to pack it in then I will too, but I'd like more transparency and honesty from governments when the subject of smoking comes up.

you wont give up with that excuse, i gave up and a month later mrs dave decided to go get help and gave up too, don't wait set an example.

don't got the electric fag route its a mugs game still cost money, and breathing in water vapour is like living in an old damp cave.

never met a smoker who has tried to harm anyone else like people on drugs and drink do.
i see people every day smoking in cars with kids or smoking too close to kids or walking around holding fags at kids head hight so they will get burnt face if they walk into them.
 
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"I do need to give up smoking I'm sure, and hopefully when Mrs. Beard decides to pack it in then I will too, but I'd like more transparency and honesty from governments when the subject of smoking comes up."


There's plenty of honesty from governments. We all know the risks so let's not look for excuses. Smoking is vile: period!

I see people complaining of food poverty, visiting food banks and boo-hooing about how awful Britain is, and yet never having a fag out of their mouths. That's @£50 a week at £7 a packet, so I call these people rich, not poor.

And so it goes on. I reckon if smokers just costed how much their habit costs them, in money for cigarettes, increased cleaning and washing bills for their homes - if they even notice of course - they would be horrified. I know smokers who have to redecorate every couple of years, and think this is normal. It is for them, because they filthy their homes up with nicotine residue. Think about it: twenty a day is around £2.5K a year. Two smokers makes that £5000 a year, wasted, plus all the cleaning costs, if they bother of course.

I can't think of a better incentive than that. And then there are the chain smoking skeletal ghosts who wheeze along in their seventies and have a totally crap quality if life, just because their lung function has collapsed.

Just stop smoking. A few difficult weeks and it's over.
 
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you wont give up with that excuse, i gave up and a month later mrs dave decided to go get help and gave up too, don't wait set an example.

don't got the electric fag route its a mugs game still cost money, and breathing in water vapour is like living in an old damp cave.

i see people every day smoking in cars with kids or smoking too close to kids or walking around holding fags at kids head hight so they will get burnt face if they walk into them.

Dave's always right of course but if you can't give up ecigs are a safer and cheaper option for us lowlife weak people.

And again Dave's right parents are ace holes.

High that horse Dave, be careful when you get off it :D
 
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