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Politics will always cause arguments and bring out the worse in people 
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R.I.P. Maggie
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R.I.P. Maggie
It's interesting that everybody has an opinion but less than half ever bother to vote.Politics will always cause arguments and bring out the worse in people
if everybody voted i think we would all be in even deeper poo
That's because opinions are like buttholes, everyone's got one. However voting takes a bit of effort when its easier to sit back and criticize others choice.
Is that because most people would disagree with your point of view?
Dr Zhivago
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Perhaps because they do not agree with any of the parties and candidates on offer.
By not voting, perhaps the parties might try and find out what people actually want instead of sitting complacently on "safe" votes made by people who just vote the way they have always done. Or perhaps new parties will arise, seeing a "gap in the market" (UKIP comes to my mind).
Because the main parties (certainly since Blair's Thatcherite "New Labour") have become almost indistinguishable between each other apart from the different flavour scandals that surround them.
I knew a guy from Czechoslovakia who had lived there during the communist period. He said it was untrue that it was not democratic. There were elections, and they had a choice of candidates - like from the Democratic Peasant's Party, the Revolutionary Socialist Party, the People's Reform Party etc etc - you get the idea. All basically the same and we'd call them all communists. But this guy, disillusioned, said that Britain is the same in its own way - a choice of almost identical main candidates. And if you let on that you vote for any off-centre party (like Communist, BNP, Green, Monster Raving Loony) you are regarded as a pariah or a crackpot.
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yes and they would all vote for a racist party
I've voted In every general election since I was old enough to vote and have learnt one thing, it makes f**k alls difference who you vote for they are all just as bad as one another, not one of them sticks or even pretends to stick to what they claim once in power and those not in power make all sorts of claims they can never keep.
What really does amaze me though is that this thread is still going after all this time!!
I hate to burst your bubble but EVERYONE and Every party is racist. People may suppress it very well and claim not to be but there will be something about another race they don't like however small.
like what?
Positive Discrimination, is not only Racist it is also sexist. Doesn't matter how you dress it up its still discriminating against someone which according to the law is also illegal.
i don't get what you mean, give me an example please
I just did.
I can't give an example of your prejudices as I have never met you or talked to you but they will be there.
I can't give an example of your prejudices as I have never met you or talked to you but they will be there.
plenty of people do things that i don't like but i don't assume its because of their race or sexuality and tar everyone else who fits the same label with the same brush
This thread is meandering a bit from where it started isn't it?
The main reason people don't bother to vote (I think) is because they think they are being looked down upon and held in contempt and what ever you vote for you won't necessarily get.
Which nicely brings us back to Mrs T. She did as she said she would do and was voted in 3 times in the days before spin doctors and the likes of Alistair Campbell and Andy Coulson.
I don't think that everything she did was right, but she was a leader, and the public did have a choice at the ballot box.
When you get to the stage that senior Labour politicians have to resign over a sneering, condescending tweet about a bloke living in a small-ish house with a white Transit on the drive and St. George's flags hanging outside it's no wonder people are looking for another party such as UKIP, and when they feel that no-one listens to what they consider are their legitimate concerns we should think ourselves lucky that UKIP is about as extreme as they get.
Concerns about immigration, which is the main reason UKIP have got a foothold, have always been portrayed by "The Left" as being a middle-class-Tory gripe and therefore all those people are racist bigots, yet, for those who can still remember it, Enoch Powell was followed through the East End of London not by rabid Nazis but by members of the dockers' union.
Any argument concerning immigration (let's face it, talk of positive discrimination usually contains some link to immigration) is laced with disingenuous comment and misleading statistics. Recent figures released from somewhere connected to government, stated in response to criticism of immigration figures that EU immigrants contributed more to the country in taxes than they received in benefits. I'm sure that's true although the statement didn't say how much more they contributed. But, and it's a big but, the disingenuous bit is that most people are not concerned with EU migrants but those from outside who will contribute nothing, or next to nothing due to lack of English, recognisable qualifications or almost any useful skills while still needing housing, education and healthcare.
Although I don't share their politics I can't help but hanker after the days when Jeremy Corbin, Denis Skinner and their ilk made up the left of centre opposition and came from "salt-of-the-earth-working-class" backgrounds. Maybe the Hon. Anthony Neil Wedgwood Benn, 2nd Viscount Stangate, married to Caroline De Camp (another working class name) was one of the first of the "Champagne Socialists". Micheal Foot who famously laid his wreath at the Cenotaph on Rememberance Sunday as Leader of the Labour party while wearing a scruffy duffel coat also showed his political colours by opposing German re-armament which would have strengthened the Soviet Union and was also a founding member of CND which again would have strengthened the USSR. Then in 1957 he renounced Unilateral Nuclear Disarmament, but before that, in 1940, he wrote a book, "Guilty Men" which attacked the appeasement policy of the Chamberlain government.
I don't think Foot was a "C.S." but he was another one who I always believed was contemptuous of the very people he claimed to represent. But then, others will see things differently.
Concerns about immigration, which is the main reason UKIP have got a foothold, have always been portrayed by "The Left" as being a middle-class-Tory gripe and therefore all those people are racist bigots, yet, for those who can still remember it, Enoch Powell was followed through the East End of London not by rabid Nazis but by members of the dockers' union.
Any argument concerning immigration (let's face it, talk of positive discrimination usually contains some link to immigration) is laced with disingenuous comment and misleading statistics. Recent figures released from somewhere connected to government, stated in response to criticism of immigration figures that EU immigrants contributed more to the country in taxes than they received in benefits. I'm sure that's true although the statement didn't say how much more they contributed. But, and it's a big but, the disingenuous bit is that most people are not concerned with EU migrants but those from outside who will contribute nothing, or next to nothing due to lack of English, recognisable qualifications or almost any useful skills while still needing housing, education and healthcare.
Although I don't share their politics I can't help but hanker after the days when Jeremy Corbin, Denis Skinner and their ilk made up the left of centre opposition and came from "salt-of-the-earth-working-class" backgrounds. Maybe the Hon. Anthony Neil Wedgwood Benn, 2nd Viscount Stangate, married to Caroline De Camp (another working class name) was one of the first of the "Champagne Socialists". Micheal Foot who famously laid his wreath at the Cenotaph on Rememberance Sunday as Leader of the Labour party while wearing a scruffy duffel coat also showed his political colours by opposing German re-armament which would have strengthened the Soviet Union and was also a founding member of CND which again would have strengthened the USSR. Then in 1957 he renounced Unilateral Nuclear Disarmament, but before that, in 1940, he wrote a book, "Guilty Men" which attacked the appeasement policy of the Chamberlain government.
I don't think Foot was a "C.S." but he was another one who I always believed was contemptuous of the very people he claimed to represent. But then, others will see things differently.
simmo999
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She was the first leader to use tv to spin the new form of trickledown capitalism , bin men emptying rubbish for her to pick up for the cameras springs to mind
Holy thread resurrection...
