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Re: What's made you grumpy today? (Part II)

I didn't say they were better quality I said "I thought they were", thus allowing me to be corrected if they weren't, twas more of a question than opinion!

My logic for more predictable steering was the stiffer the springs = a better feel for road surface. Much like riding an aluminium bike instead of a carbon bike.

That was my main point, these new springs even with original dampeners and anti roll bars are better than old worn out springs in the same setup surely? Thus better despite not having updated dampeners and roll bars etc. However I do agree the whole setup should be adjusted to cater for the new springs and actually dampeners and shocks are more important.

Thanks for answering my other question as to why Abarth lower cars, fair reason to criticise in comparison to neglected suspension setups.

FYI: Though I did only quote you I was also responding to SB1500 in the same post!
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I didn't say they were better quality I said "I thought they were", thus allowing me to be corrected if they weren't, twas more of a question than opinion!
Indeed you did, I used the word 'perception' which is a synonym of thought, basically I stated that your thought of better quality is not necessarily correct.


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My logic for more predictable steering was the stiffer the springs = a better feel for road surface. Much like riding an aluminium bike instead of a carbon bike.
The best handling cars will keep all 4 wheels in contact with the tarmac at all times
Racing cars have very stiff suspension but they may be driving in ultra smooth race tracks, which is worlds apart from what you would find on normal roads. Better handling cars might have stiffer suspension but this is matched with the dampeners and other suspension components. To keep the wheels on the road.
Fitting hard springs may well result in unpredictable and hard bouncing of the springs with under rated dampeners unable to cope. The dampeners if already weak from age may give up very quickly. Basically it's more than just a set of springs ales the car drive and handle well

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That was my main point, these new springs even with original dampeners and anti roll bars are better than old worn out springs in the same setup surely? Thus better despite not having updated dampeners and roll bars etc. However I do agree the whole setup should be adjusted to cater for the new springs and actually dampeners and shocks are more important.
Which is what I agreed with you on, but even then uprated components can still be not as good as if you'd just put OEM parts on.
An insurance company can usually say the car might not perform as well but at least it is predictable, with aftermarket lowering kits they can not predict the characteristics of the car and this is what they are having to make a decision on when deciding the premium you pay.

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Thanks for answering my other question as to why Abarth lower cars, fair reason to criticise in comparison to neglected suspension setups.

When a car sits on the forecourt on lowered abarth suspension, the simple fact is that that car has undergone millions of pounds worth of research and development, crash testing and conforms to all the relevant safety and build quality standards.
An insurance company have a standard by which to assess the insurance risk of every one of those cars.

As soon as you take the springs out and fit something after market, you have potentially taken that car outside of those standards, even if individually the parts all meet the relevant standards separately, as far as an insurance company is concerned they have not need tested together.
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Re: What's made you grumpy today? (Part II)

I completely share the view of @AndyRKett on this one.

I don't think any setup myself or you guys can come up with can match that of the designers of these cars and their millions of pounds of R&D, testing and liability over their work
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I also agree, all points are relevant, and R&D does play a huge difference! Sorry if I made you grumpy today
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Interesting commute this morning about halfway had to divert due to this. (Photo nicked from Northumbria police)
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As a result I was off my usual B road commute onto a single track road over the fell..until the section that's flanked by old oak trees. Then spent what felt like an eternity picking my way through fallen bits of tree ( actually only a few minutes).

Having escaped back onto the fell I started to unclench and then the headlamps picked out the confusing sight of a male pheasant investigating a crt monitor that was in the middle of the road.

Thankfully I was taking it easy so there was no car/pheasant/monitor interaction..

But damn that was a commute and a half.
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I'll never understand how it looks good either to be honest. Perhaps that's a personal gripe though. Not seeing the consistent gap of the wheel and wheel arch just doesn't make design sense to me! Lol
To be fair, cars sat flat on their bums don't appeal to me, but like, a half inch/inch drop I wouldn't object to at all.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.




Not made me grumpy, but a bit like "mhmm..." was an argument on YouTube that a Porsche 911 GT(whatever the hell) is the best daily driver going.. Like.. what.
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Fighting a Land Rover cylinder head. Found a couple of threads with 'helicoil' repairs, but only used short inserts, need longer ones. Ordered a kit, advertised as containing thread inserts 1.5x dia of thread. Arrived today, only 1.0x dia, same as already in head. Needed tomorrow, now no chance.
Not cheap, specialist engineering kit, ordered from specialist supplier, packaged by idiots in Germany.
Quality as a concept is disappearing fast, whether product or service.
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Fighting a Land Rover cylinder head. Found a couple of threads with 'helicoil' repairs, but only used short inserts, need longer ones. Ordered a kit, advertised as containing thread inserts 1.5x dia of thread. Arrived today, only 1.0x dia, same as already in head. Needed tomorrow, now no chance.
Not cheap, specialist engineering kit, ordered from specialist supplier, packaged by idiots in Germany.
Quality as a concept is disappearing fast, whether product or service.
Tbh i dislike Somebody else picking my order.... ^^ That sorta crap is why
If i can get it from a shop so i can pick and check it myself - i will

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I don't fit in the new Spyder.

Move the seat back and it's up against the rear bulk head and it's stuck upright. Have it a little forward and a enough of a lean and I have to sit with my legs open like a vagifresh advert because the steering wheel doesn't go high enough.



Still not as bad as the SLK I drove last week. I couldn't get in or out of that without swearing.
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The part to finish the exhaust on my Fiat Coupe that should have arrived yesterday was marked as dispatched today.

Grrrrrrrrrr!

I can't even work on a Fiat that fits to get over the 124.
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I don't fit in the new Spyder.

Move the seat back and it's up against the rear bulk head and it's stuck upright. Have it a little forward and a enough of a lean and I have to sit with my legs open like a vagifresh advert because the steering wheel doesn't go high enough.



Still not as bad as the SLK I drove last week. I couldn't get in or out of that without swearing.
Is it that small or are you a man mountain?!
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Is it that small or are you a man mountain?!
6' 2"
34 inside leg.

Fifteen and a half stone.



Barely above average at best.

Right there are (were) five new cars I was interested in.

The Alfa 4C Spider
124 Spider
Alfa QV
Ecoboost Mustang
Lotus Evora 410

The QV will not be sold in the UK with a proper gearbox so she's out.
The Evora is too much (even with my new job on the horizon).
The 124 is too small. As soon as I told my mate this he said...

"Oh the 4C is even smaller".

Arse!

The nearest Mustang dealer is in Essex.

Everything else new are clones for clowns. The new Tipo with a T-Jet would be nice (even if it does look like a five year old Skoda Fabia).
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Puncture in the AA Fiesta.
Changed wheel, off to KwikFit.
Waited an hour, to be told no stock, be here tomorrow. Could they not have told me that an hour before?
Now running on the spare, limited to 50mph, so up earlier tomorrow for trip to Gloucester.

So not Kwik, and no Fit. Fail on both counts.
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Puncture in the AA Fiesta.
Changed wheel, off to KwikFit.
Waited an hour, to be told no stock, be here tomorrow. Could they not have told me that an hour before?
Now running on the spare, limited to 50mph, so up earlier tomorrow for trip to Gloucester.

So not Kwik, and no Fit. Fail on both counts.
Strange AA driving school uses kwik fit when AA has a deal with national tyres for AA tyres.
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Puncture in the AA Fiesta.
Changed wheel, off to KwikFit.
Waited an hour, to be told no stock, be here tomorrow. Could they not have told me that an hour before?
Now running on the spare, limited to 50mph, so up earlier tomorrow for trip to Gloucester.

So not Kwik, and no Fit. Fail on both counts.
if you gotta squeeze by cheltenham on route also welcome to stop by for a cuppa
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