Yes this may seem a strange one, but here goes:

One of my parents works in a school, and basically, ADHD has become the front of most arguments with the children that are misbehaved.

Often though, my parent is coming home feeling extremely helpless.



This is a sensitive subject so will use a hypothetical story:

A girl is being bullied by a girl with ADHD.

The girl with ADHD has been granted a statement which prevents her 'being excluded, being restrained unless a person is at risk, being shouted at etc'

The girl who is being bullied, is a high achiever and seeks help, however is always the one to be singled away from the class for her own good, due to the fact the girl with the 'statement' cannot be irritated incase she gets worse.

Staff are helpless and any intervention only welcomes abuse from the childs mother.

The point is, the government has essentially given her an excuse for her behaviour, in turn, the parent uses the 'statement and adhd' as an excuse for her lack of ability to control her.

The child is extremely young but fully understands this 'statement' and uses it in her argument.



Now I know this is probably something to discuss with a politician or something, but on the lines of the above, does anybody else think the country has gone mad?

Imagine Mr Mardy old man walking in and saying "right, cane is reintroduced, whos the naughiest kid in this school"...sure it would all change.

Apart from the kids who would then claim human rights....

(I do apologise it is a weird subject, but not sure where else id get peoples opinions, and right now its stressful seeing my parent stressed with it so be nice to hear what others think)

Sam

dont kids with ADHD need to be taught what's right and wrong more than others? yes tis mad

I'm studying to be a teacher currently, and there is no doubt in my mind that ADHD and ADD exist.

But there are also some absolute ****s of kids who's parents see them as golden chldren who can do no wrong. These kids can get labelled as sufferers, just because there is a need to blame something.

exactly what annoys me mate and the mother is no help at all. Just basically says "oh its ok she has ADHD"

@bludvl_x19: yes exactly. and the mother is extremely attention seeking as though she doesnt really care if her kid is like that, because it always puts her in the spotlight. Such a shame

But i dont udnerstand why such things as 'statements' exist. Its like the girl has the whole school wrapped around her...

Teachers have been taught how to restrain, but arent allowed to use it :S

I think the South Park episode about ADHD was epic.

SIT DOWN AND STUDY!!

i'm a cub leader in my spare time and we happen to have a child that suffers from ADHD

i have learnt to deal with him in a completely different way. not treating him different but working with him more one on one and calming him down etc

it may seem he is getting more attention and he probaley is but by doing that it benifits everyone the other cubs can get on with there activity with out distractions and possible dangers and he gets to as well

I dont agree with this 'statement' the whole thing sounds plan stupid imo when it comes to rules etc they shouldn't be treated differently because they have to learn just the same everyone else does.

A lot of it probaley isn't her fault and the mother doesn't sounds like she is fit to be looking after the poor kid

Firstly I'm not medically or psychiatrically qualified so the following is only a (possibly misinformed) opinion

I'm unconvinced that ADHD exists for the following reason.

It didn't exist when I went to school, kids who misbehaved were punished & that generally stopped them from misbehaving.

Simple as that.

Interestingly my Dad has the same opinion (this may stir up a hornet's nest) about dyslexia, he went to school in the 1930/40s and he says that when he was at school every child,without exception, could read and write to a similar standard.

So MAYBE these conditions are being invented to make excuses?

Gaz37 said:

Firstly I'm not medically or psychiatrically qualified so the following is only a (possibly misinformed) opinion

I'm unconvinced that ADHD exists for the following reason.

It didn't exist when I went to school, kids who misbehaved were punished & that generally stopped them from misbehaving.

Simple as that.

Interestingly my Dad has the same opinion (this may stir up a hornet's nest) about dyslexia, he went to school in the 1930/40s and he says that when he was at school every child,without exception, could read and write to a similar standard.

So MAYBE these conditions are being invented to make excuses?

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My parents said the exact same thing tbh...seems like everyone in the world is now classified as something or other.

@jip0: bang on. This girl should be treat the same as the others but handled in a different way. And teachers etc understand this, but this 'statement' prevents them doing anything.

One experience was seeing the child tell a teacher she is 'stupid, cnanot do anything right, shouldnt be a teacher', but yet if the teacher says anything, all the girl replies with is "i have a statement you cant tell me what to do"

Nothing will ever get sorted like this, I hate how soft england has become

My 5 year old daughter was being bullied at school by a boy in the class above her at playtime, and i'm talking about taking my daughter by the throat and told her she couldn't move from that spot until the bell rang. He has "ADHD" and is allowed to do these things they informed his mother who wasn't interested she was to busy running her child care business. I seen this boy ruin the nursery nativity a couple of years ago if it had been my child i would have removed them from the room so the kids could enjoy the play but no he had adhd so had to be left alone.

I try my hardest to teach my kids right and wrong. Telling my daughter no was enough however my son is totally different, he tells me to shh when i tell him no, and is a lot harder to control than my daughter. This does not mean my son has ADHD it just means he is more headstrong than most kids. I've found the naughty step sometimes works other times just ignoring it but it's up to me to stop that behavior before he reaches an age where he is socalising with other children. If he still hits and shouts by that time i won't blame some disorder it will be my fault.

rant over

There's only one way to deal with these little b'tards...

GET INTO 'EM

**** 'EM UP!

neeny09 said:

My 5 year old daughter was being bullied at school by a boy in the class above her at playtime, and i'm talking about taking my daughter by the throat and told her she couldn't move from that spot until the bell rang. He has "ADHD" and is allowed to do these things they informed his mother who wasn't interested she was to busy running her child care business. I seen this boy ruin the nursery nativity a couple of years ago if it had been my child i would have removed them from the room so the kids could enjoy the play but no he had adhd so had to be left alone.

I try my hardest to teach my kids right and wrong. Telling my daughter no was enough however my son is totally different, he tells me to shh when i tell him no, and is a lot harder to control than my daughter. This does not mean my son has ADHD it just means he is more headstrong than most kids. I've found the naughty step sometimes works other times just ignoring it but it's up to me to stop that behavior before he reaches an age where he is socalising with other children. If he still hits and shouts by that time i won't blame some disorder it will be my fault.

rant over

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Too right! her mum just comes in and says "oh not again, youve got to stop this, then trots off to probably get some drugs or something messed up"

And I bet you wanted the teaching staff to do something about it but they were probably too scared to incase the childs parents started blaming them of harming their child etc etc!

I'd be tempted to get the biggest kid there to give her the worlds greatest slap ever, and get the whole class to agree nothing happened.

Of course, I'm not a teacher, and don't have much time for time-wasters.

The alternative is to look at what is not included in this statement. Cookies for all the kids... except her due to her misbehaviour and threatened blackmail. That kind of thing.

Hellcat said:

I'd be tempted to get the biggest kid there to give her the worlds greatest slap ever, and get the whole class to agree nothing happened.

Of course, I'm not a teacher, and don't have much time for time-wasters.

The alternative is to look at what is not included in this statement. Cookies for all the kids... except her due to her misbehaviour and threatened blackmail. That kind of thing.

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evil... i like it

due to her condition she couldn't have sugary sweets anyway :chin:

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Cookies for all the kids... except her due to her misbehaviour and threatened blackmail. That kind of thing.

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jip0 said:

due to her condition she couldn't have sugary sweets anyway :chin:

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cover your back and give her a carrot instead so it don't look like you are being mean :devil:

neeny09 said:

My 5 year old daughter was being bullied at school by a boy in the class above her at playtime, and i'm talking about taking my daughter by the throat and told her she couldn't move from that spot until the bell rang. He has "ADHD" and is allowed to do these things they informed his mother who wasn't interested she was to busy running her child care business. I seen this boy ruin the nursery nativity a couple of years ago if it had been my child i would have removed them from the room so the kids could enjoy the play but no he had adhd so had to be left alone.

I try my hardest to teach my kids right and wrong. Telling my daughter no was enough however my son is totally different, he tells me to shh when i tell him no, and is a lot harder to control than my daughter. This does not mean my son has ADHD it just means he is more headstrong than most kids. I've found the naughty step sometimes works other times just ignoring it but it's up to me to stop that behavior before he reaches an age where he is socalising with other children. If he still hits and shouts by that time i won't blame some disorder it will be my fault.

rant over

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And here lies the difference between reasonable people like yourself and the "blame somebody/something else brigade"

Nobody seems prepared to accept responsibilty for anything any more

ADHD exists - fact. It is a real condition and difficult for the person concerned and those around them. Suggesting that it isn't real is just pure boll0cks.
Having said that, I completely agree that the majority of "cases" are in fact not ADHD, but as previously said, more to do with general bad behaviour, poor parenting, and excuse making.
I am a trainee teacher like bludvl_x19 and I have witnessed genuine ADHD and evil little sh!ts who are wrongly labelled as having the condition. The contrast is quite pronounced.
Whilst I have sympathy for those with the condition, I realise that other people suffer too, for example neeny09's daughter. In my opinion, ADHD kids should be handled differently to other kids when all is calm and on a level, but when they misbehave to the degree that others are at risk or suffering in any way at all, the ADHD kid should be treated the same as any other kid in the same position - i.e. same punishments for everyone. Just because they have ADHD it doesn't mean they're stupid, so for that very reason they just be shown the error of their ways and encouraged to learn from it. Protecting them from such punishments and the life lessons they get from it is just making an already tough situation worse.

As for dyslexia - that's also real. And again, trying to say otherwise is pure boll0cks. Dyslexia has always existed, and it always will exist. The fact is, it is now recognised. The problem comes when people choose to blur the boundary between having learning difficulties and being a little bit thick. When I was at school I had never heard of dyslexia, and that was only 18 years ago. I do remember a corner of most classrooms being set aside for those kids who were referred to as being "remedial". No matter what the teachers tried, these kids couldn't get the hang of writing and spelling etc. They were generally forgotten about by the teacher as they were looked after by the "special needs" teacher, who wasn't exactly a teacher, but more a pretentious dinner lady. These kids weren't entered for the same exams as everyone else because they were stupid, lazy, uninterested etc etc. I know, because my older brother was one of these kids. Strange, because if I was ever struggling with my school work, I could ask him and he'd be able to help, no problem. Yet I was getting the good grades whilst he left school with nothing. Something not right there then. Turns out though, that my brother actually is dyslexic like many of those other thick, lazy kids from the corner of the room (I'm sure some of them were thick and lazy though), so his entire school life was an uphill battle for nothing.
My point here is, although there is some truth in the old gripe that ADHD and dyslexia and a hundred other conditions are made up to cover up various parental and systemic failings, it isn't always that simple. Keep an open mind and dig a little deeper. Check it out for yourself before you judge.

And that concludes today's rant.

anyone ever seen Extreme Home Makeover: home edition? the guy that presents that Ty pennington has ADHD and he seems to be a good well rounded person i think it's all about parenting if the children with such disorders are taught properly at home then it's easier for teachers to enforce the same rules.

Same with dyslexia surely as parent's it's up to us to learn what the disorder does to the child or how it hinders them and give them more help at home why should it fall on to teachers or support staff to do this? My cousin had a form of dyslexia which meant that he could spell a word out loud but when he tried to write it down he couldn't do it, but i think that if someone had sat down with him long enough and persevered they could have found a way that he could spell out whilst he wrote much in the same way my daughter is taught in school now with phonics.

they are our children we adult enough to make the decision to have them we should be adult enough to teach them properly so they aren't a strain on society in any way whether that be in school or the work place or life in general.

neeny09 said:

anyone ever seen Extreme Home Makeover: home edition? the guy that presents that Ty pennington has ADHD and he seems to be a good well rounded person i think it's all about parenting if the children with such disorders are taught properly at home then it's easier for teachers to enforce the same rules.

Same with dyslexia surely as parent's it's up to us to learn what the disorder does to the child or how it hinders them and give them more help at home why should it fall on to teachers or support staff to do this? My cousin had a form of dyslexia which meant that he could spell a word out loud but when he tried to write it down he couldn't do it, but i think that if someone had sat down with him long enough and persevered they could have found a way that he could spell out whilst he wrote much in the same way my daughter is taught in school now with phonics.

they are our children we adult enough to make the decision to have them we should be adult enough to teach them properly so they aren't a strain on society in any way whether that be in school or the work place or life in general.

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Spot on If kids aren't getting the help and attention they need at home, then they have no chance.

I know a lad who has grown up with the label ADHD, he's seen all the people, taken all the drugs yada yada yada & nothing worked.
He's recently spent a year at her majesty's locel hostellery where he was treated exactly like all the other idiots in there & nobody pranced arounded him. Interestingly, now he's of an age where he is punished, the ADHD seems to have miraculously cured itself! He can no longer hide behind the label.

This subject came up with friends in Germany recently & they had no idea what I was talking about. I thought that maybe they called it something different but I even described the signs & symptoms etc - they had never heard of it over there.

Maybe it's to do with drawing the line & not allowing kids to cross said line? As kids, we all have the ability to spiral out of control if left unchecked. The 'naughtier' we get, the firmer the checks need to be.
Some kids learn very quickly that there is a line you can approach but not cross, others need a firm reminder, some need that reminder to be much firmer.

Thanks for the replies!

Some really good info in here.

There is a real trend here, bad parenting, bad kid, bad kid with ADHD aswell = worse kid.

Maybe things like this should be approached differently, starting with the parent.

"Okay your child has adhd, how do you intend to help him/her?"

"If this happened, how would you deal with it as a parent?"

Just to make sure the help begins with the very creator of that person, the parent(s).

Then, and only then, can discipline at school be effective.

Also, when the parent comes in shouting at teachers, the child will only feel that it is the teachers in the wrong and not her.

Thanks again for the replies...

There are many many aspects that can be discussed here but it is clear that each one seems to come back to the parent(s)...

Quick question, are there places where ideas can be discussed like this? I mean I could sit here and rant my bo***** off all day, but its not like anything will be done