So ADHD doesn't stand for Anti-scial Disruptive Hopeless Distraction?
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Neither did a Polish doctor I was speaking to, apparently quite a few countries don't have ADHD
Firstly I'm not going to be so condesending as to dismiss your post as b***cks because I don't happen to agree with it nor am i going to question the suitability of someone who does so to be a teacher
As I'm the only person who mentioned dyslexia I assume your comments were aimed at me so I will respond-
I didn't at any point say that dyslexia doen't exist, I simply relayed a story that suggests the contrary although I do admit that it does make me sceptical.
But I guess that if the experts say something is real us lay people should just accept their wisdom without question, refusing to conform to the accepted wisdom has never gained us anything has it? Well unless you ignore the fact that we now know that the earth isn't actually flat:bang:
Firstly I'm not going to be so condesending as to dismiss your post as b***cks because I don't happen to agree with it nor am i going to question the suitability of someone who does so to be a teacher
As I'm the only person who mentioned dyslexia I assume your comments were aimed at me so I will respond-
I didn't at any point say that dyslexia doen't exist, I simply relayed a story that suggests the contrary although I do admit that it does make me sceptical.
But I guess that if the experts say something is real us lay people should just accept their wisdom without question, refusing to conform to the accepted wisdom has never gained us anything has it? Well unless you ignore the fact that we now know that the earth isn't actually flat:bang:
Put yourself in a situation where ADHD/dyslexia/dyspraxia etc are commonplace (a school, maybe) and just observe. It really is eye opening.
Tbh, I must admit I was a bit rude in my response to your post, but I've been hearing such opinions so much lately, and when you're the one in classroom who sees the problems these kids have, and you're the one who cares enough to try to help them, it starts to grate a little. So yeah, apologies for my dismissive attitude. I don't normally respond in such a way - must've let my guard down
However, my point still stands. I strongly believe these conditions are real, but I also agree that they are being exploited by lazy, unintelligent folk at the detriment of kids with real issues.
I am convinced that dyslexia exists.
I think there is something that has been labelled ADHD, but I am certain that there are many kids that have been labelled with it that are just badly brought up and don't know how to behave. In other words it exists in the same way that whiplash injuries exist.
We have to start at the bottom with this. In other countries education is valued because either you have to pay for it, or you get it free, but for sure it is an absolute essential if you want to get a decent job. Here education is free and it is not regarded as essential in many cases because there is always the welfare state to rely on anyway. Why do you think they can teach 60 -70 kids all in one room sat at old fashioned benches in Africa, and the kids still learn very effectively? Because they want to learn.
So, first we seriously raise the bar for dole entitlements.
Then we make it clear that any seriously disruptive or threatening behaviour on an on-going basis (i,e not one off flare ups) is punishable by permanent exclusion, meaning no education.
Then we might start to see which children have genuine difficulties with reading, writing and paying attention. We could then afford to give those deserving children that will struggle all the help they need, and at the same time give the majority of children the education they deserve.
Rant over!
I think there is something that has been labelled ADHD, but I am certain that there are many kids that have been labelled with it that are just badly brought up and don't know how to behave. In other words it exists in the same way that whiplash injuries exist.
We have to start at the bottom with this. In other countries education is valued because either you have to pay for it, or you get it free, but for sure it is an absolute essential if you want to get a decent job. Here education is free and it is not regarded as essential in many cases because there is always the welfare state to rely on anyway. Why do you think they can teach 60 -70 kids all in one room sat at old fashioned benches in Africa, and the kids still learn very effectively? Because they want to learn.
So, first we seriously raise the bar for dole entitlements.
Then we make it clear that any seriously disruptive or threatening behaviour on an on-going basis (i,e not one off flare ups) is punishable by permanent exclusion, meaning no education.
Then we might start to see which children have genuine difficulties with reading, writing and paying attention. We could then afford to give those deserving children that will struggle all the help they need, and at the same time give the majority of children the education they deserve.
Rant over!
I think you should be running the show tbh. You'd definitely get my vote :worship:
Thanks!
I suppose it's easy to say things on a harmless forum - harder to put them in place.
But, I maintain that our politicians (of all parties) simply haven't got a wide enough perspective .
They need to see the world first, not just Westminster. This would affect their view on everything.
I suppose it's easy to say things on a harmless forum - harder to put them in place.
But, I maintain that our politicians (of all parties) simply haven't got a wide enough perspective .
They need to see the world first, not just Westminster. This would affect their view on everything.
In theory this sounds good but if we (quite rightly) don't pay benefits to everyone who can't be bothered to, or aren't well educated enough to, work, unfortunately society simply wouldn't allow people to starve to death in this country more's the pity
ralphtown
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Not read all the posts but heres my penny worth.
If the child has a diagnosis of ADHD,then the school has a responsibility to provide special needs teaching for that child.
This will include helping the child to understand what is good and bad behavior.
ADHD is part of a spectrum of disorders called Autism Spectrum Disorders.
Including Autism,Aspergers,ADHD and a really nice one called Kabuki syndrome.
I used to think that kids with ADHD just needed a bloody good hiding and a bit a good old fashioned disipline.
Turns out I,ve got Aspergers.Got diagnosed at the age of 51.
You see,I was THAT kid.
The one with the strange behavior,the one that used to behave badly in class,picked on a few kids that turned out to be my best friends.
Bottom Line...I did,nt get any special treatment and my life has been a nightmare.
If this child is behaving badly,the school should be helping and guiding the difficult child more.
Its a failing of their special needs department.
Of course,one upon a time,this child would have gone to a "special school".
Good or bad,they would have got the help needed.
RALPH.
If the child has a diagnosis of ADHD,then the school has a responsibility to provide special needs teaching for that child.
This will include helping the child to understand what is good and bad behavior.
ADHD is part of a spectrum of disorders called Autism Spectrum Disorders.
Including Autism,Aspergers,ADHD and a really nice one called Kabuki syndrome.
I used to think that kids with ADHD just needed a bloody good hiding and a bit a good old fashioned disipline.
Turns out I,ve got Aspergers.Got diagnosed at the age of 51.
You see,I was THAT kid.
The one with the strange behavior,the one that used to behave badly in class,picked on a few kids that turned out to be my best friends.
Bottom Line...I did,nt get any special treatment and my life has been a nightmare.
If this child is behaving badly,the school should be helping and guiding the difficult child more.
Its a failing of their special needs department.
Of course,one upon a time,this child would have gone to a "special school".
Good or bad,they would have got the help needed.
RALPH.
The problem at the moment is, the Government in their ultimate wisdom feel it's a great idea to reduce the number of teaching assistants and SEN teachers, so the problem is just going to get worse
What special treatment would have helped in your case?
I was quite lucky at school - we had a good SEN department and a tiered education set up. So I never really had any issues with "those kids" disrupting my learning.
My Mother worked at a different local school as a parent-listener (sat and listened to kids read) and was often asked to work with those that were labelled. Just 10 minutes of close support and a sympathetic ear helped wonders. The teachers were amazed at how these kids started behaving well in class. Admittedly, no A* students - but some of them did manage to scrape a few GCSE's as opposed to nil, as predicted.
She also worked at a local community centre where almost all the local kids were labelled. The centre started putting on some activities for them. They chose what they wanted to do. Again, saved a fair few from prison. In fact one of them is now managing a pub rather successfully at 22 years old. He openly admits that it was the attitudes of the people at the centre that straightened him out. Receiving attention for doing well (without being patronising).
I used to be an instructor with the SCC. We also had a fair few "labelled" kids. Most of the time, they were bored. I used to try make my lessons as practical as possible and reward good behaviour with a little more responsibility. Sure, some of them are just complete little sh!ts.
We had one lad with Aspergers who just would not listen to what he was told. One of my fellow instructors discovered (accidentally at a band practice) that standing behind him to give instructions was most effective. He was the only cadet I've ever known keep a perfect 116 beats per minute on a bass drum!!
In short: the kids are after a little attention. Bad behaviour is often learnt because it's the only way they can get any interaction from parents. So they do it everywhere. A little time spent with them alone and treating them as real people can help those who are not really ADHD etc. Well, can be a very long process. One cadet I worked with for a few years is still a little sod - but he knows when to listen and do as he's told.
That probably makes naff all sense - I apologise...been an arse numbingly boring day today, and my brain is mush.
My Mother worked at a different local school as a parent-listener (sat and listened to kids read) and was often asked to work with those that were labelled. Just 10 minutes of close support and a sympathetic ear helped wonders. The teachers were amazed at how these kids started behaving well in class. Admittedly, no A* students - but some of them did manage to scrape a few GCSE's as opposed to nil, as predicted.
She also worked at a local community centre where almost all the local kids were labelled. The centre started putting on some activities for them. They chose what they wanted to do. Again, saved a fair few from prison. In fact one of them is now managing a pub rather successfully at 22 years old. He openly admits that it was the attitudes of the people at the centre that straightened him out. Receiving attention for doing well (without being patronising).
I used to be an instructor with the SCC. We also had a fair few "labelled" kids. Most of the time, they were bored. I used to try make my lessons as practical as possible and reward good behaviour with a little more responsibility. Sure, some of them are just complete little sh!ts.
We had one lad with Aspergers who just would not listen to what he was told. One of my fellow instructors discovered (accidentally at a band practice) that standing behind him to give instructions was most effective. He was the only cadet I've ever known keep a perfect 116 beats per minute on a bass drum!!
In short: the kids are after a little attention. Bad behaviour is often learnt because it's the only way they can get any interaction from parents. So they do it everywhere. A little time spent with them alone and treating them as real people can help those who are not really ADHD etc. Well, can be a very long process. One cadet I worked with for a few years is still a little sod - but he knows when to listen and do as he's told.
That probably makes naff all sense - I apologise...been an arse numbingly boring day today, and my brain is mush.
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Exactly, I reckon most children in the UK do not appreciate what school is for and therefore do not try. If I appreciated it as much as I do now after leaving, I would have done much better.
Again though, parents that don't give a s*** about school will only pass that opinion onto their children.
If they had to pay for it, perhaps they would value it more.
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ralphtown
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I grew up in the 1960s.
There were no gay people,no sick people and no such thing as ADHD.
But THEY knew there was SOMETHING not right with "the boy" and I think I would have benefited from a mentor.
A "Jiminy Cricket" type of person.
Someone close to my own age who coul;d have just whispered in my ear,"You,re going too far,Ralphie".
I would have had less beatings and I would always know that my name was Ralph and not "you Boy",which I thought was my name in school for about 6 years.
But to balance it,I had a handfull of really good teachers,just 5,in all the years in school.
and they helped me as far as they could.
But,not wanting to give the impession I,m wanting sympathy or anything.
I came into the world bigger than any child born at the time,I was huge!!
Then I had a lisp,that took years to get rid of,again,many thanks to Mr.Hoy
Then I had a load of stuff to deal with as I grew up,always thinking and feeling,I,m not meant to be here,I,m a square peg in a round hole.
And I,ve always carried that.
But its not all bad.I have a sense of humour about it and make my friends laugh telling them about the chaos in my life.I just make it sound funny,even tho its not.
But basically,I,d like to have a McCartney to my Lennon.
Someone that "gets it" and can stop me before I say something or do something I,or others,might regret.
Like I say,I don,t "suffer" with Aspergers,its everyone around me that suffers.
Check out the NAS website,if you want more info,or suspect that you or someone you know might have ASD.
RALPH.
There were no gay people,no sick people and no such thing as ADHD.
But THEY knew there was SOMETHING not right with "the boy" and I think I would have benefited from a mentor.
A "Jiminy Cricket" type of person.
Someone close to my own age who coul;d have just whispered in my ear,"You,re going too far,Ralphie".
I would have had less beatings and I would always know that my name was Ralph and not "you Boy",which I thought was my name in school for about 6 years.
But to balance it,I had a handfull of really good teachers,just 5,in all the years in school.
and they helped me as far as they could.
But,not wanting to give the impession I,m wanting sympathy or anything.
I came into the world bigger than any child born at the time,I was huge!!
Then I had a lisp,that took years to get rid of,again,many thanks to Mr.Hoy
Then I had a load of stuff to deal with as I grew up,always thinking and feeling,I,m not meant to be here,I,m a square peg in a round hole.
And I,ve always carried that.
But its not all bad.I have a sense of humour about it and make my friends laugh telling them about the chaos in my life.I just make it sound funny,even tho its not.
But basically,I,d like to have a McCartney to my Lennon.
Someone that "gets it" and can stop me before I say something or do something I,or others,might regret.
Like I say,I don,t "suffer" with Aspergers,its everyone around me that suffers.
Check out the NAS website,if you want more info,or suspect that you or someone you know might have ASD.
RALPH.
