I'm not signing it. 3 out of the 5 times I've needed the NHS it's been a total let down.

Took out private and will never look back.

not all of us are as fortunate.
plus as always worked ok for us

ChrisUK said:

I'm not signing it. 3 out of the 5 times I've needed the NHS it's been a total let down.

Took out private and will never look back.

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if you are on the road and get involved in a serious accident is it private ambulance, paramedics, nurses and doctors that turn up to save you?

Unknown Being said:

not all of us are as fortunate.
plus as always worked ok for us

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I agree that the NHS needs to be protected, but unfortunately it has become a bottomless pit of money as we become longer-living, we can cure more ailments, drugs get dearer, treatments get more sophisticated, the size of the client base ever increases.
So, something has to be done otherwise and quick.
However, would I trust the poicticians of any party to come up with an effective plan - probably not.
Would any established business person take on the job? Probably not as their hands would be tied politically.
We have to get the message over that the NHS must be protected, but that shouldn't mean just do nothing.

perhaps hire negotiators to save money on medicine
solar powered wheel chairs
add a Starbucks in every hospital

best way to save cash would be to erm, not to

figures i would want to see is cost of a broken leg
cost of a xy and z
and work out why it costs so much and see if it can be done more efficiantly
but only by asking people who do it

dave said:

if you are on the road and get involved in a serious accident is it private ambulance, paramedics, nurses and doctors that turn up to save you?

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No they take me to the nuffield filled with staff that care and know what they're doing instead of claiming you've got Münchausen's...

My Fiance had random fainting spells, generally felt ran down. The NHS Dr said it was "normal" for a women of her age (25) and it will pass. This really pissed me off which prompted me to go private and within 48hours (4 tests later) we had a diagnosis of transient idiopathic arrhythmia, which left undiagnosed could have killed her....

I'm not trusting my families health to idiots like that...

ChrisUK said:

No they take me to the nuffield filled with staff that care and know what they're doing instead of claiming you've got Münchausen's...

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you are assuming you can get there before you are dead

well I have 4 within a 30miles radius so seems quite likely tbh.

The NHS has been brilliant every time I've been (apart from A&E), although I'd put that down to the specific hospital I've been to, rather than the NHS itself. My wife works there though, and I'd hate to see it ran for profit. That would be worst, worst case scenario.

Have we not learnt anything that you CANNOT privatise essential services?

My findings are the opposite the A&E is perfectly fine and everything else I've experienced (except for a couple of visits to the Newcastle Hospital) have been plain rediculous. While "trying" to diagnose my fiance she had the same test (at Newcastle which is about 30miles away) THREE times because the previous two times they 'lost' her results...

My dad is permanantly ILL because they screwed up a simple sinus operation by letting a Jr Anesthetist do it on his own because the consultant "had a prior arrangement" and got the doseage wrong which caused him to vomit which did permanant damage to his lungs.

I'm sure there are good hospitals AND staff but there needs to be a big change, I wouldn't like to see it go altogether but something has to give....

There you go then. It's so inconsistent right across the board, due to some terrible management.

External consultants taking the p with their fees as well, that laughable IT project that failed miserably, hiring unqualified nurses, hiring staff that can't even speak English, it's such a shame because it could have been AWESOME had it been run properly. Instead of even thinking about privatisation, can we not get in a crack team to run things properly?

Magic Johnson said:

There you go then. It's so inconsistent right across the board, due to some terrible management.

External consultants taking the p with their fees as well, that laughable IT project that failed miserably, hiring unqualified nurses, hiring staff that can't even speak English, it's such a shame because it could have been AWESOME had it been run properly. Instead of even thinking about privatisation, can we not get in a crack team to run things properly?

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Isn't that what they tried hiring them 'consultants' ? :bang: Corrupt a$$holes

Lol. What they didn't do I'm guessing is shop around, I bet they just dived in and picked the first consulting firms they saw.

I'd sign it, they've changed my life.
Guessing the op(s) i had were nearing £200k, i could never afford that private.
They're invaluable!

Although a reform of the NHS management, i could possibly agree with.

ChrisUK said:

well I have 4 within a 30miles radius so seems quite likely tbh.

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how you know where the accident is going to be?

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Lol. What they didn't do I'm guessing is shop around, I bet they just dived in and picked the first consulting firms they saw.

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First change nurses training back to being first and foremost a hands-on course instead of spending the majority of the course in the class room .
Put matrons back in charge of wards, and that includes the cleaning staff.
Bring in Gerry Robinson (he already sorted out Rotherham hospital ).
Bring in a nationwide ban on any future pie in the sky IT projects that nobody needs.
Negotiate (Gerry's job) with the consultants and the drug companies to make a
minimum 15% saving.
Start charging for all missed appointments
Start charging for all patients without an Ni number.
Make a small team (half a dozen max) of street-wise guys to retrieve all loaned equipment that never comes back, such as crutches, wheel chairs etc. PUt them on commission.
Just a few ideas for starters.

"Bring in a nationwide ban on any future pie in the sky IT projects that nobody needs."

They DESPERATELY need their IT systems updated. Did you not see the article on BBC News the other day about NHS England, how they could prevent 16,000 deaths a year if they could log things properly etc? Other massive companies manage and keep up to date with their data, why can't the public sector? Terrible management and very poor hiring choices.

Agree with everything else though, but remember, that's common sense and of course it's something that doesn't apply to the public sector.

Magic Johnson said:

Other massive companies manage and keep up to date with their data, why can't the public sector?

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Unless they hire "Private Sector" IT Staff rather than "Consultants" it will never happen.

pooroldcodger said:

First change nurses training back to being first and foremost a hands-on course instead of spending the majority of the course in the class room .

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i live with a student nurse and also two student mindwifes they are in placement much more then they are in uni